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post #31 of 36 Old 07-17-2007, 02:14 PM Thread Starter
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Firecrackers, and the obvious - obnoxious dogs, heavy equiptment, small children in orange rain jackets and umbrellas, chainsaws, and yes, motorcross toys!

Some people who I don't know rode up into our yard the other day, and our dogs ran up to bark at them, like they bark at everyone who comes in the yard, and the lady's horse bucked her off. They were all pissy with us because our dogs scared their horse in my yard - they looked like they thought they would trail ride through our yard and it interupted their plans. This reaction infuriates me a little - I am often of the mind that it is the rider's responsibility to teach their horse not to be spooky, and control it if it does spook, not to yell at the outside factors (like little kids with umbrellas). May sound a bit demanding, but I have high expectations :)

Last night my husband and his friend were getting ready to go out on these really loud, dirt bikes and 4-wheelers. I was standing next to them with my boy when they took off, and my husband's non-horsey friend was worried about spooking the horse - he was surprised that he just stood there. My boy is a gem at home and on trails with my other horses. It is just events and new places with new horses that gets him all worked up.

"backed" and "broke to ride" to me both sound like ridden, but still maybe "green". I don't know technically though ?? :)
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post #32 of 36 Old 07-17-2007, 04:22 PM
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Never have I or did I say that I have used a dog collar. It is something common that many people do. This doesn't imply I'm one of them.
I'm going to draw the line here because there are several issues I don't agree with you on and I feel as if you are completely misreading and/or misunderstanding what it is I am saying (IE, dog collar). I don't feel as if anything positive could be gained from argueing so I don't see a point at this moment.
The only thing I would like to end on is the fact that putting lateral work before basics is detrimental to the training scale - which is what I practice. If I took a horse w/ 30 days training, no relaxation, rhythm and/or suppleness established, let alone working off the seat or using CORRECT balanced half halts - I COULD teach shoulder in, but in NO way, would it be executed correctly. I try my best to avoid incorrect teaching.
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post #33 of 36 Old 07-17-2007, 04:24 PM
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Oh, and Elz, that's very kind of you. As of late though, I'm no longer with the stallions and have moved locations (closer to college). I hate name dropping, but if you'd like pictures or info on those stallions, feel free to PM!
Right now I have my little off the track mare and (wanna-be stallion) gelding.
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post #34 of 36 Old 07-17-2007, 10:11 PM
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Akpaintlover, that is soooooooooo funny, I love seeing people get bucked off. I get dogs running at me and trying to bite me and my horse every time I go out on the trails, I (me and my horse) run at them and they will run away. That is good that you are not spooky around your horse I hate when people are like "don't spook the horse"

Kristy, I think we both are misunderstanding each other, lets start over.
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post #35 of 36 Old 07-18-2007, 05:07 AM
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Well i must admit i never find poeple getting hurt/frightened funny but it does prove a point doest it?

Dogs flying out of somebodies drive will always get my mare a little jumpy because its a natural predator, and when she hasnt spotted them they do come as abit of a shock. Dogs that have been spotted will usually be ignored.
OOOOoooh yes umbrellas....note to self!

I must admit i had the clippers on my little gelding when he was 6months old as i had rescued him and he had to have these horrid matts cut out of his coat. He didnt bat an eyelid as he is generally horrizontal, but still with the eagerness i desire to go ODE-ing. Although to young to be tested fully at the moment.
My mare first had clippers on when she was 3 but then thats the age i had her at, so it couldnt have been any younger, unfortunately she was parked in a field until then as with all this guys horses. The poor things have such a shock when they are brought in, never seen a stable, barn, etc etc its a nightmare and thats why my mare took so much longer than my gelding i suppose. (who is currently on the naughty step!!! The others have all gone out and hes stuck in because he had forgotten how to behave himself! Will go back down in a min and he'l be a lamb- i dont know why he tries it on because he knows he'l never be aloud to behave like that! Smacking him just doesnt work you see, he is the most thick skinned animal i and everybody else, have ever met! so i have to play mind games with him instead! Any suggestions with repremands for that type of horse would be greatfuly recieved)

He is a pig headed teenager with a bad attitude problem at the moment. He is also teething like mad and has a very hot and sore jaw so adding to his attitude! He went from angel to rebel over night after he had been gelded for some weeks. He has to be kept on top of at all times but smacking doesnt work at all! Not letting him get his own way works and so too does shouting but there is only so much shouting i can do. He is about 15.3 now and still growing but he is a hanoverian x tb (more the hanoverian-huge stocky, strong and stupid! Great mover though hehe) You can do anything to him- which is a problem in itself, as now he isnt frightened of anything, literally! I have done less desensitizing with him than any of my others, yet he is crazy (to much) bombproof!

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post #36 of 36 Old 07-18-2007, 01:14 PM Thread Starter
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I agree that a job jumping into my horses' field of vision will startle them a little (I will feel them tense for a second before they realize it is just a dog), but our driveway is a quarter mile long, and says "private drive" - what the hec did they expect? They never told me why they came up in the first place - they just ignored my questions about if they were all right, and rode back out once she got mounted again - it was really weird.

I have to say that if your boy doesn't respond to a smack or anything - working him immediately after each infraction (depending on the infraction I suppose) can be helpful - especially if he is the lazy type. Everyone of course has different things that work, and different opinions, but the trainer I have been working with will often have me make do the opposite of the infraction (if reasonable) example, with my boy, if he tries to run through the bit while I am riding, I pick him up, get my legs into him, and back him long enough and with enough energy to make an impression. He is so lazy, that trust me, next time I ask for something, he doesn't run through me. Another example, if he is getting pushy with me while I am leading him and a simple smack in the chest doesn't remind him, I will sometimes drive him backwards several steps. If he won't stand while I am tighening his cinch, I might make him circle around me at the trot a few circles and then give him another chance to be still. If he picks up speed when on the trail and I haven't asked for it, I circle at the trot for a bit and then resume at my original speed. It seems with my boy that he can become desensitized to smacking often, but work really makes an impression with him - he doesn't like to do extra work! :) Obviously there will be situations where this won't work, but if you get creative you could apply it in many places.

What kind of behaviors are you talking about specifically anyway?
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