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post #11 of 27 Old 04-07-2013, 05:57 PM Thread Starter
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We are actually buying these guys to give them more of a purpose than just "camp/trail horses". I guess I should have mentioned in the first post that we are starting a transition to having an all year round riding facility for summer campers that want to do more than just plod around the arena. Sure these guys will never see a show ring, but I see nothing wrong with trying to help the horse understand how to move a little better instead of evading the bit every time there is any sort of pressure, especially since the camp is trying to transition over to having a better riding program.

Thanks for the advice to those who gave it, I needed a little confidence boost since this is the first time a am really going to be on my own unless I am really in trouble! The one rein stop isn't something that has been taught in the past (when I was just a wrangler and had little to no say in what the kids/horses were taught) and I was planning on introducing it, so thanks for reminding me because it slipped my mind!

There are 10 weeks of camp and as I said earlier we are buying them and starting to transition over to a better equine program that has hopes to go year round. I don't expect a whole lot out of these guys, but I disagree that working with them is a waste of time. I have had great success with horses in the past when they were being ridden by newbie riders as long as they are willing to listen to what I have to say about their "buttons". We always try to match up our little riders to the horse that would not only fit them the best, but that would help the horse out the best. I don't need any of these horses to be dressage stars or jumping masters but I do believe that every horse should be allowed to feel more comfortable when ridden and have more purpose than "plodding along". These guys mean a lot to me and I am blessed to be a part of a wonderful group that is starting something wonderful that hasn't been offered in our area before!

I hope nothing I said came across as rude or defensive, I just feel like they aren't a waste of time and I just want to improve their life as well as the campers education.

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post #12 of 27 Old 04-07-2013, 06:11 PM Thread Starter
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Oh! Out of my whole ramble I forget to answer whether or not the camp was equine focused! There is a specific group of campers each week that are just there to ride (horse camp ) and spend almost their entire day at the barn learning about horses and riding and whatnot. We do give a trail ride a day for non horse campers, but that is not what they are used for the majority of the time :) They are used the rest of the time for giving lessons to our horse campers :) Which is why I want to fill in just a few of their training holes, because if we can get our year round program up and onto it's feet then we will have these guys used consistently and our riders will grow and it would be nice to have the horses be able to "keep up" for a certain period of time before we have to graduate the kids to more experienced horses.

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post #13 of 27 Old 04-07-2013, 06:56 PM
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Actually, I don't think anyone thought that working with the horses is a waste of time. We didn't have enough information as to what the program was. Now we know.
Working this into a year-round program means you need horses with good lesson horse skills. And you will have riders with a variety of skill levels as well.
It sounds like a good program and I hope people in your area take advantage of it.

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post #14 of 27 Old 04-07-2013, 07:08 PM Thread Starter
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I really hope that this program flourishes too, I am quite passionate about this place

I realize now that I should have put more information into the first post about the program, but to be honest I didn't think it was necessary at the time because I was just asking for some input on filling in some training gaps. But looking it over now I can see where assumptions could be made about all of these horses and what their true use would be and so I did make sure to fill everyone in

There were some things said that did make me feel a little defensive about these guys, and I do apologize for coming across a little rude. I had no intentions of sounding ungrateful or anything but since I did not put enough information about the program into my original post I now understand why someone might think this way. I do hope nobody is offended by what I wrote and I would like to move past it and was wondering if anyone else has any more tips than what I was already given, because the more tools you have in your toolbox...

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post #15 of 27 Old 04-07-2013, 10:24 PM
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Not offended in the least. Just happy to know the program. It throws a new light on your efforts.
Might you expand your year-round program to include novice adults? Teach the kids and maybe a few parents?

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post #16 of 27 Old 04-08-2013, 08:42 AM
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OP, where at in Michigan? I have a cousin that was thinking of finding a program like that for her daughter...

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We were hoping to eventually do that, but since it is a YMCA camp first and foremost we aren't sure what steps on the camps' toes for staying accredited :/ we are still in the very rough stages of it and it probably won't happen for another year or so, but we are starting to take the steps :)

DimSum: It is in southwest Michigan, around Battle Creek and Kalamazoo :)

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We were hoping to eventually do that, but since it is a YMCA camp first and foremost we aren't sure what steps on the camps' toes for staying accredited :/ we are still in the very rough stages of it and it probably won't happen for another year or so, but we are starting to take the steps :)

DimSum: It is in southwest Michigan, around Battle Creek and Kalamazoo :)
Ahh too bad we are closer to Ann Arbor and the family is in metro Detroit. My horse is an ex camp/trail guy and I have been struggling with the same issues you are describing-evading any bit but going quiet in a sidepull. Took months to get him to listen to seat/leg cues. It's like the thinking part of his brain wasn't developed and some days I get the impression he'd be happier back in the trail string going nose to tail without being asked to think (sigh)

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Sometimes I forget that other people weren't Music Majors. In the instrumental world people are taught my a succession of teachers, and by the time that one enters college for a degree, the Professor find holes in your previous training. You are given exercises to fill in those holes, and you work hard to fix them. Further, you don't perform a piece until you have "spot practiced' the difficult passages perfect, and at tempo.
Now, to horse training. It is the same. You identified the holes in each horses training. Take each horse back to square one, and retrain for each problem as if you are training a green colt. Progress through, asking for perfection until he or she behaves the way that you want.
I would begin with ALL ground manners made PERFECT. This is what you do every day with your horse, and it should be pleasant for you and good enough to show off. Everyone that watches my 16'3hh gelding go around any gate and walk over to it, putting his head over and waiting until I release him, is impressed. Everyone who handles my mare's feet finds it a pleasure. ALL training is training to your horse.
Good luck, bc you have a summer's full of work ahead of you. =D

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post #20 of 27 Old 04-08-2013, 11:12 AM
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Now, to horse training. It is the same. You identified the holes in each horses training. Take each horse back to square one, and retrain for each problem as if you are training a green colt. Progress through, asking for perfection until he or she behaves the way that you want.
Not to threadjack, but that is exactly where I am at now with my gelding nice post!

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