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post #21 of 68 Old 05-26-2013, 03:50 PM
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I'm not saying I've never had a breaker show a major resistance, but that when I did, once I rode through it, I sat down, thought thru the problem, figured out where the hole was and started over from that point. The more experience I got with breakers, the fewer episodes of resistance I had.
thats exactly what you just said, lol. Very contradicting..

i agree though- not every horse will let you get on its back with out 'resistance'- just because a few horses you broke did dont mean they all will.

Thats the point in breakin a colt-- fixin what the issue is with you on their back.
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A few horses? I've lost count, but the number of horses I've broken is in the range of 50 - 60.

About 30+ for race training and the track and the rest as hunters and jumpers.

How many have you started? Your opinions are contrarary to those of most of the horseman that I respect and admire, so I'm curious as to what your actual experience is.

And there's no contradiction there - I didn't, and don't, ride and train defensively. I don't get on a horse expecting it to buck, I ride and train to prevent the buck. Big difference.

If your *expectation* the first time you get on a horse is that it's going to want you off it's back, well, then, your methods and experience are very, very, different than mine.
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A few horses? I've lost count, but the number of horses I've broken is in the range of 50 - 60.

About 30+ for race training and the track and the rest as hunters and jumpers.

How many have you started? Your opinions are contrarary to those of most of the horseman that I respect and admire, so I'm curious as to what your actual experience is.

And there's no contradiction there - I didn't, and don't, ride and train defensively. I don't get on a horse expecting it to buck, I ride and train to prevent the buck. Big difference.

If your *expectation* the first time you get on a horse is that it's going to want you off it's back, well, then, your methods and experience are very, very, different than mine.

Oh im sorry- i didnt mean to offend.

^thats how i felt till i read the second line and realized you were on an ego trip.. i have no desire to get into a pissin match- sorry.

No one anticipates the buck- they also dont think its impossible because theyve ground trained.
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How many have you started? Your opinions are contrarary to those of most of the horseman that I respect and admire, so I'm curious as to what your actual experience is.
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And there's no contradiction there - I didn't, and don't, ride and train defensively. I don't get on a horse expecting it to buck, I ride and train to prevent the buck. Big difference.
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This may just be me, but I don't hold much to the idea of putting the first rides on a horse bareback.

Maybe it's just because of the caliber of horse I'm used to, but I want something that I can grab ahold of to keep myself on in the event that they suddenly decide they've had enough (like other's said, it's not common for one to just blow up for no reason...but it does happen and I like to be as prepared as possible) or if they see the boogeyman coming to eat them.

IMHO, the more often you fall off of a young horse, the more likely they are to learn how to get you off.

If you want stirrups, use a saddle with a tree rigid enough to keep it in place no matter what happens. If you want to ride "bareback", then either ditch the idea of a pad altogether or get something simple that will just keep the dirt off your butt...but nothing with stirrups. Stirrups without a rigid tree are just a dragging waiting to happen.

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I'll be the first to admit I am not very good at training horses. I have only had one youngster that I raised from birth and got ready to saddle break. I put crap (I mean stuff) on his back since he was a foal. Put things around his girth to simulate a cinch, threw saddle blankets on him as a foal, tarps, etc.

I was the very first person to sit on him and I did it several times in the round pen, bareback. No buck, not even a funny look. I had been doing so much with him since he was a baby that he didn't think it strange at all when I progressed to sitting on him.

Now I did send him off for a couple months of saddle training because I knew I didn't have the experience to ride him out on the trails or teach him to respond properly to the bit, etc. The trainer said the first time he got on him he walked over to the edge of the pen and started rubbing his butt on the fence. So I think I had him pretty well prepared.

But to expect a horse to buck the first time you get on, well, it's sounds like you didn't properly prepare him.

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[QUOTE=smrobs;2621937]This may just be me, but I don't hold much to the idea of putting the first rides on a horse bareback.

Maybe it's just because of the caliber of horse I'm used to, but I want something that I can grab ahold of to keep myself on in the event that they suddenly decide they've had enough (like other's said, it's not common for one to just blow up for no reason...but it does happen and I like to be as prepared as possible) or if they see the boogeyman coming to eat them.



I don't ride any horses of "caliber" so maybe that's why I understand wanting to do first rides bareback. If I am nervous about how a horse may be in riding, I prefer a bareback pad with a handle parallel to the spine, and NO stirrups. I rode with the same most of the time. That way, I don't have horns and stirrups to snag my bra or feet. I can just slide off if needed and direct the horse from the ground.

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Sorry smrobs. I meant to reply to parts of your post. I'm on smart phone, which is not so smart apparently!
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toto,

No ego trip, just fact. There's a handful of people on this board who know me in real life, know my resume, know the horses I've trained, what I've accomplished and what my qualifications are.

I've been following your posts on this board for some time, and what I've noticed is that you talk a lot of smack, but are pretty short on actual, useful advice and very short on resume.

Some cowboys refer to this as the "All hat, no cattle" syndrome.

So my very sincere question to you is - Are you for real? Or are you just a troll?

Are you here on Horse Forum to help novice horsepeople? Or are you here to talk a lot of trash, talk down people who actually GIVE advice and in general stir the pot?
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anyone who trains, does so in such a way that the horse does not learn bucking is an acceptable behavior. I've broke several young horses that never bucked under saddle. HOWEVER. Say the you-know-what hits the fan and the horse spooks or whatever and to add insult to injury a human body falls off of it. It's traumatic for a horse to lose it's rider especially one that doesn't know that sometimes humans fly.
For that reason, I don't break bareback. Just in case something goes south, I stand a better chance of staying on or at least landing a decent dismount if I have stirrups.

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