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post #1 of 127 Old 12-27-2013, 08:38 PM Thread Starter
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Can someone please pinpoint what this guy did wrong? (somewhat graphic, angry horse)

I saw this video:
on another thread and it caused a huge pit to form in my stomach. I'm new to horses and very excited about the prospect of doing groundwork with my new horse (being delivered in a couple weeks, hopefully, YAY!), but after seeing this, I'm kind of freaked out.

My horse is very calm, docile, and broke at 11 years old (part draft horse, part arabian), so I know I won't see this behavior from her, but I'm still curious what this supposed expert did wrong. I want to avoid doing whatever he did at all costs forever and ever in my horseriding life! And I'd like to learn as much as I can about horse behavior and body language.

It looks like he pushed the horse too far, too fast. I'm guessing he should have done more "get the feet moving" stuff before sacking out. He wasn't paying attention to the pinned ears for sure. But is there something else I'm not seeing? Is it true that there are some psychotic horses out there that can't be trained?

I'm only looking at this from an "understanding horse mentality" perspective. I do NOT plan on ever being around a horse like this in a round pen, so please don't warn me against it. My sharply honed instincts of survival serve me well.
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post #2 of 127 Old 12-27-2013, 08:41 PM
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What he did wrong? Easy, went into the pen with a vicious horse and didn't have a weapon, with that horse, I would have had a cattle prod or a pitchfork.

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That horse was a brain damaged, very mishandled stallion - in my opinion, there was nothing you can really do when a horse is not a horse anymore.
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he thought he could deal with him, becuase he thought the horse would behave like a horse, when the horse behaved like a lion.

I have seen this video twice. It's unbearable to watch again.

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What he did wrong? Easy, went into the pen with a vicious horse and didn't have a weapon, with that horse, I would have had a cattle prod or a pitchfork.
Were you being serious? Sorry, but I'm too new to judge sarcasm yet. :) Do people actually do that?
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he thought he could deal with him, becuase he thought the horse would behave like a horse, when the horse behaved like a lion.
Ha, ha... He did have some lion-like looks there, didn't he? He's even the right color.
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I saw this video also:
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This is also a stallion, one that was abused ... but this guy did all the right things it seems to me.
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If I knew the horse was vicious, you darn right I would take a weapon, the protection of my flesh is first and foremost. Any horse that wants to harm me intentionally needs to be cured or killed, period, no in between.
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That scene is from the movie "Buck" the back story was it was an orphaned foal hand raised, 4 year old stallion who was aggressive towards the owner. Owner had something along the lines of 18 studs living together. She was unable to handle this horse and the horse was sent to a Buck Brenneman clinic as the last ditch effort. Clearly it did not work out and the horse was supposedly euthanized.

The horse did give some badness signs. A lot of the signs were more avoidance/pissy signs. The "attack" was excessive in that most horses it seems will do a bluff rush before actually making contact. That said the fact that the horse was allowed to persistently line up towards the guy was bad in my opinion.

There might have been some rushing with respect to training; however, that is the nature of a clinic. The other problem was this horse was drastically different in the movie when worked on horseback. The issue was a huge lack of respect. The horse charged fences and was never it seemed really given a come to jesus moment. The owner at least from the movie, gave the impression that she would be unable to maintain any training that was done. This horse would have been difficult to work with and a constant project (need to be reminded of his place in the herd daily) for even an advanced handler.

I would not count on your horse being like this horse. If you horse does end up like it don't try to fix it yourself.

Edit to ad: Sometimes spoiled is mistaken for abused.
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Wow I thought my new horse offering to kick was bad (no kick but he lifted his leg)! Don't worry! I'm dealing with a horse that has absolutely no respect for humans, and he has never acted like that. I think this guy pushed the horse entirely too hard and too fast. Don't let stuff like this keep you from enjoying your new horse. I promise very few act like this horse did, and even then I put a lot of the blame on the handler. He should have done much more for respect before even attempting something like this. The horse needed to learn respect, not to have a sack swung over it.
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