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        05-09-2011, 10:43 PM
    Can you put collection on voice cue?

    Just thinking about this today after riding my mare up some hills. She will naturally collect herself very nicely, the difference in how she feels at a trot is amazing.

    If I put a verbal cue to this every time we go up a hill, logic would say that she'll associate that word with being in this collected state, correct?

    Then eventually I could use that verbal cue with no hills. Wondering if anyone has done this and how it went? Thoughts? Suggestions?
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        05-09-2011, 10:45 PM
    Sounds little weird to me. I'd give it a try but wouldn't hold my breath though. Although my horses know walk/trot cues really nicely...
        05-09-2011, 10:53 PM
    Yes, it sounds odd, I think this comes from my dog training background. It very hard for me not to put everything on verbal cue.

    However, if there's enough repetitions and then reward for correct response, I think it could work. This all theory at this point though.
        05-09-2011, 11:11 PM
    I doubt it would work. For your horse to be ABLE to collect, certain conditions need to be in place. She cannot just do it because she heard the command.
    She must have a rider who is well balanced over her and not leaning forward. She must have enough freedom of neck , some would say she needs to be relaxed in the jaw and poll, and she needs to be in a position and speed where she can rock her weight back a bit and bend her hocks a bit more so that the lower leg steps under more. The muscle conditioning must be there for her to be able to do this and sustain it.

    Going up hills builds this muscle conditioning, so it supports making the conditions for collection possible for your mare.
        05-09-2011, 11:18 PM
    I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen. What I would do is really concentrate of how she feels while she's trotting up hills so you can better duplicate your own position when riding in the ring. If you do enough trotting up hills, she's going to put enough muscle on her hind end and back to carry herself in the ring more easily. As long as you meet her half way with proper position on your part, it will start to come more easily in the ring.
        05-09-2011, 11:24 PM
    Another vote for not likely. Sorry.
        05-09-2011, 11:30 PM
    I may experiment with this just to see if it actually works. Never know until I try. And if it doesn't I haven't lost anything.

    And I won't hold my breath, I don't wanna turn blue, LOL
        05-09-2011, 11:55 PM
    Laugh! If it works, please let us know.
        05-10-2011, 12:26 AM
    I will post an update after a couple weeks of word association. Will shall see what happens! Worst case scenario she will just ignore me, haha.
        05-10-2011, 01:16 AM
    Maybe you could develop a whole program of hypnosis for horses to train them to automatically collect. You know, sleep training? While they sleep or eat their hay you put on headphones and teach thenm how to collect. And associate some sort of special sound with the cue.
    Maybe your horse will be like the Manchurian Candidate and you can brain wash her into all kinds of subversive and covert activities?

    If it worked, why you'd make more money than Parelli ever has!

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