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        03-12-2009, 08:13 PM
      #21
    Started
    I wouldn't leave a lead rope on the horse. It's just too dangerous, and you need to fix the problem.
         
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        03-12-2009, 09:17 PM
      #22
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by wild_spot    
    I don't have a lot of time on my hands, so if I went out just to 'be' with my horse, I would never get to ride and I would never acheive anything!
    Personally, I think more can be achieved with horses without the presence of a saddle or bridle. I have gotten more reward and gratitude from ground work than I have from the saddle. All of my horses work their hardest for me when I ride them, and im sure it has to do with the level of care I provide for them every day.

    If all ya do is ride your horse and are never around your horse unless you want something, it usually ends up with frustration on the horse's behalf.. I can't count the amount of Jumpers, Barrel Racers, Lesson Horses that crib feverishly because everytime they see someone it means work, work and more work.

    Im sorry that you think you can't achieve anything with your horse without you being in its back.

    And with that i'll button my lip =/
         
        03-12-2009, 09:28 PM
      #23
    Trained
    By achieve, I meant competition wise. And not winning, but personal bests for me and my horse.

    And I have to disagree :] One, my horses are not frustrated. They don't display any unnatural behaviour, they are relaxed in their manner, around people and alone in the paddock. Two, just because I ride whenever I go out to my horse, doesn't mean it's always hard work! The majority of my riding is trail riding, we taek them swimming in the summer, etc.

    I think we approach horses in a different way. I believe that I give my horses the highest standard of care, I keep them safe, warm, fed, free from any natural predators, free from many diseases and injuries they could sustain in the wild, I keep them mentally stimulated, and I treat them with compassion. In return, I ask they they work for me. I expect them to have manners and respect, and to try anything I ask of them. I don't ask them to do something beyond their abilities, and I don't push them beyond their mental capacity.

    I just can't believe that horses can see us as friends. They see us as sources of food, treats, satisfying scratches and brushes. (As much as I pretend that my arab loves me more than anyone else, shhh!)

    I own my horses to ride, to compete on. If I wanted something just to brush and love on, I would buys dogs. (And we have 8, lol).

    I honestly don't think i'm missing anything in my relationship with my horses, and I believe there are many different types of relationships people have with horses, and many are effective. In my opinion, a horse doesn't need you to be a friend.

    Now i'll button my lip :p
         
        03-12-2009, 09:34 PM
      #24
    Weanling
    I just wanted to add I'm not one of those "treat-your-horse-like-a-puppy" people. I don't give mine treats (omg im evil!). Horses are definitely not pets, not equals (they weight 1,500 lbs.. they're automatically your superior, lol!) and mine arent "friends" they are colleagues, so to speak. I ask for respect from them and treat them well, and in return they treat me with the respect I deserve and are more than willing to listen to me and perform to the best of their ability.

    I think we're on the same page, just different ends of the spectrum, lol =)

    Thanks for your reply =)
         
        03-12-2009, 10:16 PM
      #25
    Trained
    Replied to your PM.

    Yep, I actually think were quite similar, maybe just on other ends of the time spectrum :]
         
        03-12-2009, 11:56 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    I think catching your horse is really important with it running away because the one time I was riding at this barn, and suddenly a bunch of people came in. They had to put a horse down because it broke its back trying to jump the fence to get away from its owner. It slipped on ice on the other side and landed wrong. It was really sad!
         
        03-16-2009, 09:09 PM
      #27
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by KTSpeedhorse    
    Have you tried hearding him? This is going out to pature with him and pushing him away from you. Not litterally pushing. Stay behind him at a safe distance in his periffial (sp?) vision and making getures moving him away from you and your other horses. If and when he stops and does not turn to you push him away again and again until he turns and walks up to you. Horses are naturally curious animals and he will eventually wonder what you want and come to you. This stems from the Join Up theroy. I have used it and it does work. Of course it is always good to reward him when he has been easy to halter. Hope this helps.
    I agree with this, I use it alot when I do chores at my barn and we have difficulties getting a horse to come in. I basically just follow them but always in their view. If they are heading more towards the right, I'm on their right side, and likewise for the left. Sometimes constantly changing directions. Sometimes they try to run away...I just continue walking. Eventually, just like KT said, they turn around and walk up to you. It's worked on every horse I've tried it on.

    I know some horse owners stay away from treats in their training but I love it. In moderation! When I got my filly, she would always get turned out into a huuuge pasture and me being the lazy person that I am, I didn't want to walk all the way out there to get her, lol. So a couple of times a week when I would go to get her I'd bring a treat with me. I'd walk out and call to her and when she would walk up to me I'd give her the treat. Then I switched to rub downs and scratches instead of treats.

    Now she is almost 3 and still turned out to a large pasture, and is the only horse in her group who will come when called. She starts walking to me when she sees me, I don't even have to call her. She brings the rest of the herd, lol. Even on grass pasture!

    I know you said you've tried treats though, so I'd definitely try the "herding" or join up method
         
        03-16-2009, 10:37 PM
      #28
    Trained
    I've tried the herding method (blocking them), and the "ok, you wanna move? Then MOVE" method, treats, and just about any other method. My horses didn't really want me to not catch them (otherwise I never would've where they were kept), they just wanted to play a little while first.

    What worked best for me was to go out to the pasture and walk around, don't pay attn to the horses just walk around looking at the ground, stop every once in awhile. By this point I have their attn. Usually they will come to me at that point. If they are being reluctant I will actually sit down or start poking at the ground. Without fail they would come over, "whatcha looking at? Is it something I want? Don't you wanna ride?" Once they are over I stand up and walk up to the lead horse, pet and rub them all over, on to the next one, and the next one. By this point they are loving me..... then I get the one I want. Eventually my horses would consistently come when I called them (even with bridle in hand). It was great to walk to the pasture and yell "Red, Flame, Sin, come here guys!" and they would come in to say hi.

    That being said I had those horses for my entire life and it did take me time to get them there. Soda isn't to that point yet, but he is always paying attn & nickering at me when I come to the barn. I do make it a point to brush them well before & after every ride and spend time down at the barn when I'm not working them. Either cleaning up, inspecting the fence, or just walking around. Even just 5-10 mins helps. I let this attn slide for about a month (it was cold & I'm in college, so I didn't have any time) and he became very difficult to catch and disrespectful towards me on the ground and while riding (see my thread Naughty Rearing Horse). But in the last week or so I have been going out spending time with him, taking him on walks, just brushing him, and now he is back to peaking at me around the corner and walking over to say hi when he sees me with the halter. He isn't as of yet that happy to see the bridle but we are getting there.
         
        03-17-2009, 08:46 AM
      #29
    smr
    Foal
    Things seem to be improving. I seem to be doing the best with treats. He was our first horse and late last year we moved in three more horses. He was an only child for years and now he has 3 siblings. We have also been spending more time riding the new horses and just didn't realize we were ignoring him. We road yesterday and he was no trouble to catch.
         
        03-17-2009, 01:23 PM
      #30
    Weanling
    Glad to hear you're having success! In some cases, treats can help "open the door" for communication with horses. They can be a tool to temporarially use to help resolve an issue =) Just make sure they don't become a crutch =)

    In my opinion, solving the problem with treats is like cutting the top off of a weed. The roots are still there, and the weed will grow right back. It may look like the weed is gone for a while, but rest assured, it'll return. Make sure the deep rooted problem of -why- he runs away from you is fixed =)

    Also, you want to make sure your horse is coming to you because he wants to be with you.. not because he views you as a food dispenser =)

    I know you arent using treats to solve the problem though ^^ I just wanted to get all that out there!

    I know exactly what you mean with having an "only child" horse. Skippy! Was like that. When we got Jasmine, he was VERY displeased with me, LOL! He wouldnt come to the gate to see me after I finished riding her, and he would act up when I first got her. We worked everything out though.. just like with children, ya gotta let them know they arent being replaced, and that you still love em!

    Again, glad you're making progress!
         

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