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        07-09-2008, 12:27 AM
      #11
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by BluMagic
    That sounds really dangerous though. I mean what if she panics and its not stubbornness anymore? You have to be able to free her leg somehow.
    You definitely don't want to TIE her leg to the cinch. It's the same thing as using the lead or cotton rope to lift her leg, but rather than lifting up with the rope, you are pulling down. If she were to panic, you simply release and she's free.

    You know, I thought more about this and I'm wondering, what changed? If she was OK before with picking up her feet, what has happened to change her attitude about it? Is she sore? Did someone scare her?
         
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        07-09-2008, 12:35 AM
      #12
    Banned
    Sonny had that problem for the first week when I got him. It was a trust issue for him and nothing more.

    Put Chance somewhere enclosed...like a stall for example...and then ask her to pick up her one front foot (any one). The MINUTE she picks it up the slightest...drop it, and praise the heck out of her. Give her treats, pat her neck, etc. Let her realize that picking up her feet is a really GOOD thing.

    Fighting her for her foot will do NO good, no matter how many people say it helps...trust me I've tried millions of times. No matter how hard you try to hold onto the foot, they can still put it down...I'm sure Chance is 1000 if not more....so you are fighting a 1000 animal....your not going to win on a battle of strength. I've tried with horses and almost broke a wrist

    Ever heard of positive re-enforcement? It works for ANY animal...dogs, cats, horses, birds, rats...anything. Ask them to do something and then reward them even if they try the slightest effort.

    You wouldn't fight Chance to keep her head on the vertical....you'd ask for her to put her head at least somewhat close or as far as she physically can, and then release <---that's the reward for doing it. Then you'd repeat until she can get her head there and continue to release as a reward.

    Chance HAS a reason for not wanting to pick up her feet...it's your job as the owner to find out why. Just like I found out that Sonny's problem with him not picking up his feet was a trust issue. Put yourself in her shoes (or hooves lol) and see what might be the matter.

    EDIT: Good point Northern!!!! If Chance used to be able to, I'd more than likely think something was wrong with Chance than her just having an attitude.
         
        07-09-2008, 07:37 AM
      #13
    Showing
    Pain or fear issue comes to my mind as well. If you own the horse for while and he was good about the feet and it started suddenly - something is wrong. Doesn't sound like stubbornness to me. May be something happened like farrier was too rough, or one of the feet is sore?
         
        07-09-2008, 11:53 AM
      #14
    Started
    It does seem strange that she would start doing this suddenly. I agree looking for the cause of the problem would be your first step.
         
        07-09-2008, 12:12 PM
      #15
    Green Broke
    The farrier was really gentle when he did her feet. And I lunged her to see if she was hurting anywhere, her gaits were the exact same, no limping or fussing or trying to keep weight off her feet. I can't check if theres rocks in her frogs cause I can't pick them up, usually if there is a rock she hold them up for me to take them out...


    Ill to the pick up then release method for a while. If that doesnt work ill try the lead rope thing again.

    Usually if I walk her over gravel and sand it clean them out some which is what im going to have to do till she starts picking them up for me again.

    Maybe it was the heat that day cause she was sweaty before I even started working her, ill see how she is today.

    I mean she wont even pick them up really she thrushes them forward and just holds it there in front of her on the ground so I can't bend it. We will keep working on it though. Ughhh mares and there moodiness :P
         
        07-09-2008, 12:30 PM
      #16
    Weanling
    Something else you can try to get the foot off the ground.

    Be sure to push your weight into her shoulder or her hindquarters and run your hand down the back of her leg. Then try the rubbing of the fetlock, then tug on the tuft of hair, then try squeezing the tendon, then if all else fails, try poking the heel bulbs (the soft part just below the pastern at the back-the cartilage area) with your hoof pick. Don't be afraid to really push hard. I've yet to have a horse NOT pick up his foot with this that was just being stubborn. You have to be quick and catch it while it's up, and be super cautious with the hind feet. Next time, try the other mild cues first before you resort to it and she'll start to be more cooperative.

    If it doesn't work, there is something wrong. Horses don't usually jut decide not to pick up feet for no reason if they have been doing it, or if at least when they have a stubborn day, it won't last very long. Persistently refusing to give her feet is telling you something, even if it's subtle.
         
        07-09-2008, 12:40 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    If she doesnt pick up her feet today at all if I try everything then ill get the vet out or maybe farrier idk
         
        07-09-2008, 01:23 PM
      #18
    Trained
    Gem was always bad with picking up his feet. We knew he had abcesses and surgery, and thought that it tramatized him that he didn't want to pick his feet up.

    We would muscle with him to hold his front feet up. It may have not been the best thing to do, but we would manage to pick them out.

    Then when we found out he had arthritis in his hocks and right knee, we figured he didn't want to pick up his feet due to that. After getting his feet trimmed, and x rays of his hooves, he's been better, though he does have quite a bit of arthritis between his coffin bone and p2

    What i'm trying to get at, is there is a reason why she's putting up a fight to have her feet picked up. It could be anything from a trust issue, like Sonny said, or to a medical reason.

    You said she's jumped before, and shown before you owned her. How old was she when she was jumping (before you got her) and how high?
    5 years is young for anything to happen, but I personally know a 5 year old horse that has foundered, so you may be looking into a medical issue.

    If she doesn't get better, i'd ask the vet to take some x-rays.

    Oh, btw, before we moved Gem or even got the vet out, he never showed that he was lame or not bearing weight on any of his feet.
         
        07-09-2008, 02:14 PM
      #19
    Showing
    Some horses don't like getting their feet picked up- I've dealt with some of those. :roll: But most of the time you can easily make it happen...although, it doesn't work for every horse. Sometimes it could be a medical concern.
    I usually shift the horse's weight into the opposite side, so they aren't leaning on the foot they don't want picked up. ;) If they're leaning on it, chances are you can't compete with all that weight, LOL! Try making her lean to the opposite side, & then picking it up.
         
        07-09-2008, 05:05 PM
      #20
    Trained
    Re: Cant pick up her feet!! No matter what!!!

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever
    Chance use to be so good at picking up her feet but today she decided to pick up a habit of not picking up her feet no matter what,
    Still, why? What changed? Something had to have happened. Did anyone besides you and the farrier work with her feet before this happened?
         

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