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    12-18-2011, 12:57 AM
  #1
Yearling
Can't ride with other horses

Poco is now thirteen years old. He has been out of work for two years now. He first pulled a tendon and was one rest then I was pregnant and didnt ride for him for over a year. Our first trail ride back out he freaked out and had another accident. My problem is, he has to be ridden alone. If you go out riding alone he is dream. Does everything you ask, nothing spools him. But when you are riding with another horse his whole personality changes. He wants to race. He don't mess around. If you hold him back he just goes into a bucking frenzy. I don't know how to get him out of this. He has gotten me into a multitude of bad situations with this behavior. He is rode in a hackamore. So when he has one of fits it's really hard to keep control over him. He doesn't want to follow another horse and he doesn't want to lead. He wants to run. He has never been raced or competed against another horse. I'm not sure how this behavior developed. I trained him eight years ago. Only two people have ever actually rode him out of a round pen and that is me and my husband. When alone he responds perfectly to every situation and does exactly what you want but if he sees another horse being rode anywhere around him his personality completely changes and it's go time.
     
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    12-18-2011, 01:00 AM
  #2
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Sounds to me like he just needs more trail experience and seasoning. Introduce it slowly. Pony him or pony off of him. Ride with other horses in the arena, then a small paddock, and gradually introduce trails.
     
    12-18-2011, 01:37 AM
  #3
Yearling
For three years I did guided trail rides with him for six hours a day five days a week. This is something he has picked up in the last three years. That last year that he was fully rode he was extremely hard to control and involved him getting hurt and put on rest for a while. When I stopped doing guided rides to just trail riding for fun something changed and I'm not sure what. He used to pony other horses just fine until I started ponying a girl that could ride very quite often and then he started getting really irritated with it and would buck or rear every time you tried to pony a horse off of him. He cannot be ponied off a horse.
     
    12-18-2011, 07:44 AM
  #4
Super Moderator
He has HUGE holes in his original training and the things missed are coming back to bite you. With these holes there he has a free rein to continue to be in charge.

I would like to know some more information before I can give you my recommendations on how to fix the holes.

First, why is he is a hackamore? Is there an actual mouth or head injury that prevents putting him in a bit? Hackamores are horrible training devices and there is little that can be done to school in one.

What does he do that prevents you from ponying him?

Any time a horse has a 'list' of things that he dictates, (like he can't do this and he won't do that and we can't do this with him) he is thoroughly in charge.

When there is an atmosphere of a horse being in control of any situation, that horse will find more and more things that HE does not tolerate. That is what this horse has done.

He basically needs to be trained over from scratch with all of the holes -- the foundation if you will -- redone and fixed.
     
    12-18-2011, 08:27 AM
  #5
Green Broke
Chuck the hackamore and get a correction bit, get him used to that and responding. A bit is one of those things that can't hurt and might help.

If I was on your horse I would ride him at my speed not his. If he wanted to go faster I would
1 hold him back,
2, do "S" 's down the trail, followed by side passes, followed by figure 8's around trees, followed by circles.
3 if it still wasnt working and he was getting dangerous, I would get off and walk him the whole trail. One way or another we are going to finish the ride, and we are going to finish the ride at my speed.
THe last part may or may not work on your horse. It depends on how he feels about you getting off and walking. I have a gaited Walker, he hates walking at my speed, he would much rather gait with me on him than walk with me off. At least that's how he seems to react.
In a nutshell I geenrally try to correct issues from the ground where I feel more confident. Especially with a horse that wants to buck while excited.
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    12-18-2011, 08:39 AM
  #6
Weanling
If you don't have control over the horse in a hackamore why is he in one? I can see the attraction of them, but they put a heck of a lot of pressure on their noses when fighting their rider and can do damage.

Could you get someone to lead another horse with you while you are out, or will the reaction be the same as when the other horse is being riden? If he is ok with another horse being lead then its an association game for him- another rider=race. Anything could have triggered this in his head. Do trails go past your field where he could race other horses on the other side of a wall? Or do people school in nextdoor fields where he could 'race' against them?

Also, have you taken him out with a 'plod-along' who wouldn't give a **** if your horse started galloping off? Your horse might calm down if the well behaved unexcited horse doesn't react to his galavanting.
     
    12-18-2011, 08:40 AM
  #7
Weanling
Wow Joe4d your on 999 posts! Wow! Hehe simple things... :)
     
    12-18-2011, 08:51 AM
  #8
Foal
You said you have a roundpen, what does he do if you ride him with another horse in there, or in an arena?
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    12-19-2011, 08:55 AM
  #9
Yearling
I rode poco in a bit one time. It's extremely difficult to get one in his mouth. I went to a hackamore or just a halter because he rides so much better in them. With a bit he slings his head really bad and constantly mouthing the bit. We had a vet come out about three months after I bought him to discuss his his teeth and maybe to see if that was the cause in him not wanting to take a bit. He has both upper and lower teeth where the bit should go so even with filing them down he is still irritated by a bit. The vet down in NC told me that in order to remove the teeth that they would need to break his jaw bone. So, I just gave up the bit idea and started him out in just a halter.

He does fine in a round pen or arena but he is confined in those and doesnt care.
     
    12-19-2011, 09:50 AM
  #10
Super Moderator
That is why I asked.
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I went to a hackamore or just a halter because he rides so much better in them.
He may ride better, but he sure does not ride well.

I would probably try a bit just by hanging one in his mouth and letting him live with it several hours a day for several days. Some horse with badly made mouths will adjust to one and some don't. If he never accepts a bit, I would get a Dr. Cooks bitless bridle. They let you teach 'give' and flexion and 'bend' to a horse without a bit. I do not think they work as well at a bit, but they are a lot better than a halter, bosal or hackamore. They are better than a side-pull on most horses.

Then, I would teach this horse to 'give me his head'. This maneuver is commonly known as a 'one rein stop'. Then, you will at least have a way to stop any bad behavior cold in his tracks. It really does work, but has to be thoroughly taught before you go out and ride.

Then, I would start this horse from scratch. I would start with the groundwork and go up through all of the basic riding techniques. There are horrible huge holes in his training. He only accepts what he wants to accept because the means of teaching him to accept anything beyond those boundaries has never been taught to him.

If you wanted someone's program to follow, Clinton Anderson's would probably be the most complete and easiest to follow. The things that he already knows will work out very quickly. The holes will show up and you will be able to work on them until they are fixed.

When a horse has been taught to stop, go, bend, follow its nose and in general, accepts going anywhere and any way a handler want him to go on the ground, the same things work out very quickly on their backs.

Doing anything less is going to leave large gaps in training and control and will cause problems that can be very dangerous.
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