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        11-22-2012, 10:30 PM
      #111
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    Originally Posted by NBEventer    
    Sweety, why don't you drop the attitude for a few minutes. I am going to be nice and lose the sarcastic tone for a minute.

    The last coaching seminar I was at, one of the biggest topics was the fact that a lot of "new" riders have a huge hole in their education. The reason being, people want results fast.

    When I was going through my levels the one thing that was drilled into us is, beginners start on a lunge line. You take the students reins away and they have to learn to ride with just their seat. Students had to be able to halt without using reins, do rising trot no hands and be able to tell the correct diagonal and how to switch it. Then they would get their reins.

    This was an amazing method for teaching as it really taught students the importance of using their seat.

    However parents didn't like this because it wasn't quick enough results. So a lot of coaches threw in the towel and just tossed students on a horse, as long as they could somewhat steer and walk and trot they started jumping. Why? Because it was results that an uneducated eye would see. However they fail to see that the student is missing the important foundations of riding. Which is teaching the horse to use themselves. No horse should ever knock down a jump under 3 feet if it is using itself correctly. Now there are moments when it happens, but 9 times out of 10 it is rider error. The biggest error causing it? Not being able to have the horse use its hind end and not being able to see the "spot". All these could be avoided if the student was taught how to properly open and close the horses stride.

    I am in no way bashing the coaches who skip the basics. I understand the reasons behind it. Parents are not happy as their kid isn't out jumping after a month of lessons. So parents pull the kid out of the school and take them somewhere else, which takes money out of coaches pocket, which means its harder to feed horses.

    The coaches who use this style, I call them mass production coaches/schools. Because all they see is the dollar signs. The huge flaw in this though is that when you are missing key elements in your basics, it becomes dangerous for both the horse and the rider.

    You know what that key element is that is missing? Its dressage. Jumping is dressage over fences. Even a hunter course that is quarterline, side, diagonal, side, diagonal. That course should be ridden with big beautiful turns, straightness, opening and closing the stride to get the correct amount of strides in the line, knowing how to use your corners to get you into the right spot at each fence. These are all skills that come from a solid foundation in flat riding.

    That is my speech on it. You can take it or you can leave it.

    My goal is to work with other coaches and bring riding back to the basics. Teaching these things. And hopefully we can find a way to show parents that while they may not see the results with an uneducated eye, there are results. My way is offering the parents a free lesson or two so they can get the feel of what we are trying to achieve.
    This is my last reply becaus I feel I should reply. My barn is nowhere near all about the money. I chose the barn I'm at because they are not. It's 45 mins away from me the ones 5 mins away are all about the money. And I did learn how to ride on a lead rope with out reins. I started out western doing trail riding for about 5 years going really slow. 1 1/2 yrs ago I moved to the barn I'm at now where the people art knowledable about western and English riding. I tire English and prefered it. I rode for a little over 5 yr before o started jumping and cantering so that is no where near rushed. With every horse I've ridden I've made sure that I trust them and they trust me. No I have never trained a horse but that doesn't mean a thing. No I have never done rated shows nor to I plan to I just ride to have fun an because I'd have noting to live for without horses. To sum up my riding had not been rushed nor is my barn all about the money. Lots of people there get discount board or do a work to ride program. I used to do chores at my barn to ride. My barn is no where near in it for the money. The lessons are very cheap and they teach you the basics first and will go next to you on a lead before you get the reins. My riding has not been rushed I do know lots of people have been rushed. I know I'm not the best rider but I promise I will research more into dressage rather than be so closed minded as I realize I have been in my past posts. So goodbye and happy thanksgiving to those who celebrate it.
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        11-22-2012, 10:36 PM
      #112
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by JDJumper    
    This is my last reply becaus I feel I should reply. My barn is nowhere near all about the money. I chose the barn I'm at because they are not. It's 45 mins away from me the ones 5 mins away are all about the money. And I did learn how to ride on a lead rope with out reins. I started out western doing trail riding for about 5 years going really slow. 1 1/2 yrs ago I moved to the barn I'm at now where the people art knowledable about western and English riding. I tire English and prefered it. I rode for a little over 5 yr before o started jumping and cantering so that is no where near rushed. With every horse I've ridden I've made sure that I trust them and they trust me. No I have never trained a horse but that doesn't mean a thing. No I have never done rated shows nor to I plan to I just ride to have fun an because I'd have noting to live for without horses. To sum up my riding had not been rushed nor is my barn all about the money. Lots of people there get discount board or do a work to ride program. I used to do chores at my barn to ride. My barn is no where near in it for the money. The lessons are very cheap and they teach you the basics first and will go next to you on a lead before you get the reins. My riding has not been rushed I do know lots of people have been rushed. I know I'm not the best rider but I promise I will research more into dressage rather than be so closed minded as I realize I have been in my past posts. So goodbye and happy thanksgiving to those who celebrate it.
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    I am glad to see that you have tried out different things. My last post was actually not directed at you. Its was more of a blanket statement about the entire direction the thread had taken.

    I do apologize for being snide with you in previous posts. I am just a bit blunt and to the point and love to be very sarcastic haha.

    I am happy that you are going to open your mind about dressage. Just because you do flat schools a few times a week does not mean you need to get into the higher movements, nor does it mean you have to go out and compete. Its just something that anyone who wants to jump(even at home and little stuff) should have a good understanding of because it can bail you out of some nasty situations once and awhile.
         
        11-22-2012, 10:42 PM
      #113
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by Black Beauty 94    
    She simply thought that dressage riders use those chains. She misunderstood and the problem has been resolved. She isn't *bashing* she simply made a mistake.
    I simply know she was just asking a question, she thought the chains were for dressage and then she realized her mistake, which is why I don't understand why you continue to keep it going.
    *sigh*
    thank you! And yes I did think they were for dressage now I know they're not I said I did not like dressage because everything I've heard about it has been awfthings. Perhaps they are rumors, myths, etc. But from what I've heard I don't like it many people on here have made some good points about dressage. I was just being very close-minded because I felt everyone was attacking me for my opinion. I've reread what everyone has said and some are good points and some are not I will try to be more openminded and less biased in the future. And what I think someone mentioned on my YouTube the horse (JD) wasnt doing something with his hindlegs? Could whoever said that give me some tips on how to improve with him? His favorite thing is just to go as fast as possible ( his quarter horse showig lol). If anyone has seen my YouTube (it's on my profile) can you message me on here or on YouTube some tips for jumping? My leg has been slipping back a lot lately.
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        11-22-2012, 10:48 PM
      #114
    Green Broke
    Awesome post JD

    One thing you will learn with time is never assume anything. Always read and research. You said dressage does not look natural. Yet a lot of moves you watch are moves horses do in play. Jumping is more unnatural then dressage(and I am an avid jumper and love to event, hence the name).

    I will pm you some things I noticed in your videos
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        11-22-2012, 10:50 PM
      #115
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    Originally Posted by NBEventer    
    Awesome post JD

    One thing you will learn with time is never assume anything. Always read and research. You said dressage does not look natural. Yet a lot of moves you watch are moves horses do in play. Jumping is more unnatural then dressage(and I am an avid jumper and love to event, hence the name).

    I will pm you some things I noticed in your videos
    alright thanks, and like what I meant was the things they do in super advanced dressage doesnt look normal, the basic dressage does seem normal, but like when they have the horses spinning around and such.
         
        11-22-2012, 10:59 PM
      #116
    Trained
    Folks,

    I have closed this thread.
    I believe the OP's question was answered - that chains are NOT used in Dressage, and are often used on gaited horses to 'improve' their gait.

    Remember that just because you think a discipline is boring, does not mean it is pointless.
    As a Dressage rider myself, I find the pursuit of perfection extremely worthwhile. It takes a certain type of person to be able to gain enjoyment from trying to perfect every aspect of a horse's work - I will spend an hour on walk-halt-walk transitions if I don't feel that they are as good as they can be on that horse.
    The 'bouncy' paces come through the degree of collection that we ask of a horse. We expect more weight to be carried on the hind legs, which lightens the shoulder and allows to gait to become more animated - from there we can start asking for those 'movements' that you see in the Olympics. Its an extremely long process, full of blood, sweat and tears, that people dedicate their lives to.
    This does not mean that Dressage is the be all and end all. I for one certainly don't expect every person to have a desire to learn Dressage to a high level, and I am also of the school of thought that basic riding is just that, basic riding. Any horse should know how to be light to the aids, off the leg, etc. Whether in Dressage, eventing, reining, barrel racing.....

    Please respect other people's discplines - if you do not know anything about it, ask questions before assuming that it's boring and pointless.
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