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  • SURGICAL TUBE FOR WALKING HORSES
  • Chains and strethers for stepping horses

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    11-21-2012, 10:03 PM
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I read that and thought of ponies in orange jumpsuits...
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    11-21-2012, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Lexiie    
I read that and thought of ponies in orange jumpsuits...
hahaha when I first saw it I was like is that a costume class????
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    11-21-2012, 10:08 PM
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Are these the chains????
     
    11-21-2012, 10:22 PM
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Saddle seat trainers often use hobbles that are attached to each other with surgical tubing or bungee cords. It is to encourage the horses to step with more dramatically high action on the front end.

Sadly, with the dressage world becoming enraptured with extreme front end movement, often at the expense of proper haunch engagement, I wouldn't put it past some dressage trainers to try this training aid. The delving into harsh and, in my eye, improper training for todays dressage horses is one of the reasons I left high level competition and doubt I will ever go back to it.
     
    11-21-2012, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
Saddle seat trainers often use hobbles that are attached to each other with surgical tubing or bungee cords. It is to encourage the horses to step with more dramatically high action on the front end.

Sadly, with the dressage world becoming enraptured with extreme front end movement, often at the expense of proper haunch engagement, I wouldn't put it past some dressage trainers to try this training aid. The delving into harsh and, in my eye, improper training for todays dressage horses is one of the reasons I left high level competition and doubt I will ever go back to it.
Thank you this is very good information. Because all I could find were ones without anything across it when I was trying to google it so it makes sense that there are surgical tubing or bungee cords across them. And the horses were walking dramatically. And it looked so awful as I have said in other posts. As you said you wouldn't put it past some dressage trainers to do that training method, I wouldn't either considering its a pretty high level and hard show. Is this method legal for dressage?
     
    11-21-2012, 11:39 PM
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No, it is not.
If it was done in a monitored dressage warm-up ring, I doubt it was anyone showing....in dressage, at least. They could have been saddleseat trainers schooling for classes the next day. More likely, IMHO.
     
    11-21-2012, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Allison Finch    
No, it is not.
If it was done in a monitored dressage warm-up ring, I doubt it was anyone showing....in dressage, at least. They could have been saddleseat trainers schooling for classes the next day. More likely, IMHO.
It was a monitored warm-up ring (i think) because anyone could walk over and watch and there were lots of people there. But it didnt look like they had a saddle seat saddle.
     
    11-21-2012, 11:53 PM
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It's the gaited riders. I go to Devon every year too, it's not the dressage riders.

It doesn't matter if there are Big Lick classes or not, I go to the GP event on Thurs evening and many of them bring their horses out to train even though they are not competing. It could well be that they want to use an empty area as only the main arena and warm up are used, but it sure seems like they are just showing off to me. They seem oblivious that many people there find it abhorrent.
     
    11-22-2012, 12:01 AM
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Ok ya that makes sense because they were doing jumping when I saw the chain things... And ya they are pretty oblivious once these to people ran into eachother because they were talking on the phone
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    11-22-2012, 01:25 AM
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The chains themselves, when used correctly do not cause physical pain, as many believe. They are there to encourage the horse to step UP and OUT. They feel them, as they would tall grass and try to step out of them. It is no more harmful than putting socks on a dog. Now when you put chemicals there as the TWH people who sore their horses do, or drop links so that there is something smacking the hoofwall, or if they forge and step on them, yeah, it can cause pain, but by themselves, no.

The ones you might see connected are either plain leather straps, or fleece covered leather straps with a length of stretchy surgical tubing between them. This is similar to what many people use for resistance training using rubber bands or elastics. These are for strength training, building muscle, and at the same time still encouraging the UP and OUT movement.

Some horses will use them and others will not. It is very easy for a horse to just not pull stretchers, and there are many who choose to do just that. And the chains, again, some respond to them, and some do not. We can't make one use them. If I put them on a QH, they would soon forget they were there.

More than likely, it was an ASB, which are not technically "gaited" horses. Some are, but the majority haven't moved laterally a day in their lives. They are trotting horses firat and foremost. Devon is a big show for us. ASBs are not sored(can't be, since we'd lose all motion at a trot) and are bred to be able to perform with such high motion. The devices used are not to hurt the horse(our horses would not tolerate being in constant pain. Many would turn flat dangerous.) but are used to encourage the lift and the up and out motion.
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