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        04-07-2008, 06:57 PM
      #11
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    But ya ok when she even bends her head just a bit she decides to not move her head any more and if you try and move her the other way she reacts even more! And starts rearing higher and higher. One rein stops mean nothing to her I've tried and we have worked on it repeatedly.
    Okay, no - every horse can do one-rein stops, it just takes time and effort to get a young or green horse to do them. Start at a walk, and ask her to follow her nose around in a circle, (if your horse won't follow the rein pressure around, there is a huge problem, you NEED to take her back to ground-driving and teach her the basics. But at her age and "training level" I would expect her to follow her nose), and make her circle smaller and smaller until she has nowhere to go except stop. Do not pull at all with the outside rein, you want to continue in ONE direction until she stops.
    Once you have this down pat at a walk, then you can move into a trot, and circle her down (spiral) until she walks, then release that hand (make sure she's walking on at this point) and praise her. Then you can ask her to halt from that walk, and praise her again.
    Once you have this down pat with the trot, then move up to the canter, and work on spiralling down to a trot.
    I honestly don't know what you mean when you say "she reacts more when you turn her the other way" - if you're doing a one-rein stop or an "emergency stop" like you should when a horse is taking off, then you shouldn't be changing direction! You should be concentrating on one rein, and punishing her for taking off by spinning her around her forehand.

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    she kept turning to me and walking at me
    So you should be able to anticipate when she's going to walk in and chase her shoulder away from you. Make sure you concentrate on moving he shoulder - look at her shoulder, not her face. Think about your eyes and body position being your aids - if you're asking a horse to go forwards, you're going to use your legs, right? So position your eyes and your body so you're driving her from the girth. When she turns to face you, chase her away. You should be able to tell when she's going to do this, and make her move away from you before she has a chance to move in further.
    Make sure you're not rewarding her for coming into you - if you pat her and reward her for moving in, then you are not accomplishing anything - in fact, don't touch her at all - reprimand her for the bad action.

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    tried again and she did the same thing so we had to accually use the whip and she got out of our way for a good while but I felt bad
    Why feel bad? She invaded your space. You have to get after her!! When she's in the field with other horses and she gets too close to Mr Boss Pony, Mr Boss Pony is going to kick Chance, he's not going to be nice about it, and neither can you.

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    My trainer is extremely strong and can handle any horse I mean chance was just a little hard for her to handle but she did it.
    I should hope so! If someone advertises themself as a trainer that will help green horses progress, I should sure hope they could progress my horse's training, not send it backwards.

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    she listened but then she's like oo lets be stupid again and went frantic and since im only 14 and weight just about 97lb [not too skinny] its not easy to really stay on a bucking horse but I managed and I got after her right after
    ... no... you need to get after her WHILE she's bucking or misbehaving. Like I said before, she won't understand why you're punishing her after she's done being bad. You have the be able to get after her RIGHT then and there.

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    Idk what else I could do for Ground Work ..
    Im thinking about jsut staying off her and builld a trust with her and work on ground work and maybe try parelli games some more.
    GROUND DRIVING! GROUND DRIVING! GROUND DRIVING! LUNGING! Unless you are going to do Parelli seriously and MAKE BOUNDARIES and be CONSISTANT, it isn't going to work.
    Playing a couple "games" for 5 minutes each once a month doesn't count as groundwork. Groundwork means you build a solid base to move forwards with riding on.
    I.e. I taught Magic to lunge, then introduced ground driving, first at a walk, then a trot, and before I even thought about tossing a saddle on her I made sure she would "walk on" (voice command), "trot" (voice command), "whoa" (voice command), back up, as well as turn both directions, do figure-eights, small circles, large circles, whatever I would do while riding, but from the ground. Then and only then I got on her, and from the moment I got on she knew what my rein meant and would listen to it. She would turn a figure-eight, stop, and rein back on her first ride under saddle, and I didn't expect less from her. I attribute that to the solid base I built on the ground.

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    I myself did not punish her physicly it was my trainer
    How did she punish her?

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    i need to learn to trust her cause lately she's been making me nervous and obviously she needs to learn to trust me.
    Yes, but moreover you need to gain her RESPECT. Forget being all mushy with her all the time, you need to learn to give her some tough love.




    Okay, I'm done my rant.
         
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        04-07-2008, 08:21 PM
      #12
    Green Broke
    >.<! I can't ground drive unless if you would like you would like to buy me some long reins and a bit... and when I say chance directions I mean whil riding when I go tot tuurn a diff way she's like noooo and goes into a fit and I do get after her while she is doing this! And I will start working on one rein stops in a few weeks im not going to be riding her for a while. And like I said when she turns and walks towards me I do try and chase outwards and it doesnt work I have to accually give her a slap. And im not talking about just doing parelli games for ground work! In my other post im asking what kind of things I should do and again I need a replacement for ground driving. I know I need to get her respect and she's getting better and better till im in that saddle. And I havent been mushy all the time. I have given her a ton of tough love but she's been threw a lot! She's been abused so she needs someone she can trust ok.
         
        04-07-2008, 11:21 PM
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    Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever
    >.<! I can't ground drive unless if you would like you would like to buy me some long reins and a bit... and when I say chance directions I mean whil riding when I go tot tuurn a diff way she's like noooo and goes into a fit and I do get after her while she is doing this! And I will start working on one rein stops in a few weeks im not going to be riding her for a while. And like I said when she turns and walks towards me I do try and chase outwards and it doesnt work I have to accually give her a slap. And im not talking about just doing parelli games for ground work! In my other post im asking what kind of things I should do and again I need a replacement for ground driving. I know I need to get her respect and she's getting better and better till im in that saddle. And I havent been mushy all the time. I have given her a ton of tough love but she's been threw a lot! She's been abused so she needs someone she can trust ok.
    What do you have in her mouth right now? I use my regular bridle and 2 lunge lines to ground drive... it's really not that expensive... if you already have a bridle and bit, all you need are 2 lunge lines - I bought mine for $10 each... definitely a worthy investment!!
    Ground driving is a great way to teach the horse the basics of riding without being in the saddle. I'd stronly suggest you invest in a set of lunge lines.

    As for the charging inwards, yes you might have to give her a slap, but what did you expect? Sometimes you have to get physical with horses - like I said, horses aren't exactly subtle with one another in the paddock either.

    HAF, you have to choose a training method and stick with it. Don't keep switching things up - if you choose to do Parelli, great - but you have to stick with it, you can't do Parelli one day then switch to more "traditional" methods the next, then do more "games" the next day. It takes time and persistance to train a horse at this age. I.e. I chose to use more traditional methods with Magic; I taught her to lunge, then accept a bridle, then ground drive, then accept a saddle, ground drive with that on, then I got on and rode. I didn't confuse her with throwing in random Parelli games.. I'm not trying to sound rude, but you (and ANY person working with young horses) HAVE TO commit yourself to ONE method, and follow through on it.
         
        04-08-2008, 04:17 PM
      #14
    Green Broke
    Ill probably start ground driving soon. And im planning on sticking with parelli the best I can.
         
        04-08-2008, 07:13 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Good lord this is why groundwork is so important. This horse has got to learn respect. I got lost in the post for a while. I'm a teacher and it drives me nuts when there's no punctuation so I kind-of skip over things. SORRY!

    You truly should not get back into the saddle until you've done some sort of groundwork with her. I truly don't care who, what, or which methods you prefer....just something that makes sense to you!!

    I don't know, my boys don't have off days that often so I can't sympathize with that. BUT I can sympathize with your frustration. Been there and done that for a while until I figured out that groundwork was needed. Changed them and me completely.
         
        04-08-2008, 10:29 PM
      #16
    Weanling
    Hey HAF, can you post up some videos and pictures of chance. So we can see whats goin on? I think it would help us all if you could show us. So if you could do that soon then that would be great.
         
        04-08-2008, 11:19 PM
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    Originally Posted by Brandon
    Hey HAF, can you post up some videos and pictures of chance. So we can see whats goin on? I think it would help us all if you could show us. So if you could do that soon then that would be great.
    I agree. It would be most helpful.
         
        04-09-2008, 12:27 PM
      #18
    Trained
    I second that too! I know when I would get videos of me with Vega, I could clearly see what I was doing wrong when she acted up, and it's even better when you have other people critique the video because they will see things that you necessarily don't.

    Not to mention it's easier for us to know exactly what's going on, because some people either forget what happened at every second or leaves stuff out, which just makes it harder for everyone.
         
        04-09-2008, 01:43 PM
      #19
    Yearling
    I completely agree. Video would be perfect. I'm sure we would all be able to help you better.
         
        04-09-2008, 03:17 PM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Im going up there this weekend Ill be getting videos of me with her on ground and doing random ground work and if I decide to ride ill try and get some video of that ill probably be in round pen but idk
         

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