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post #1 of 80 Old 04-12-2010, 12:43 AM Thread Starter
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Chances Future? Read please.

The trainer at my barn who's worked with horses for 30 yrs [training] wont even get on Chance. Which is deffinately a big red light there. We had a LONG talk today and she thinks its something in Chances "upstairs" that's out of her own control, so when she explodes shes even a danger to herself basically.

Shes watched me work with Chance and the other horses and she said its nothing to do with me nor my riding. Chance is just plain not stable. She's seen her episodes as well. She said basically.. if Chance was her horse she would have been put down a long time ago because shes a danger to herself and I guess who ever gets on her. Which I don't agree with but... maybe its because I'm attached to her. I've had A LOT of people tell me this and I just denied it.

My BO even agreed. She said Chance was just over my head, and even hers. Which I can agree with. I have confidence with every other horse BUT Chance. I cant get on her and say Im ready to take on w.e you give me. Because the second I feel her tense I tense..I never did this till at least the 3rd time she threw me. I don't do this with ANY other horse. Even the worst of buckers I've ridden. Bolters are a different story. I only like galloping when its on purpose

The woman at my barn I talked to said that basically its easy to fix a horse thats trying to get you off on purpose, its the horses that arent. Which is what Chance's problem is. Shes not trying to hurt me or get me off. She just explodes and looses all self control and she forgets about the person on her back and her surroundings. Then once she feels me up there, its startles her and backs her freak out even more. Idk if you understand what I mean here. Like as shes freaking out shes pretty much forgotten that I was up there and then she feels me trying to stay on and it startles her and she thinks its something trying to eat her and explodes more. Which when she starts to twist and buck harder. Some of u may and or may nor agree with this. But this is said from people who have seen Chances worsts and bests in person.

The mare I work with is b****y, and tries to unbalence me and get me off, and its pretty easy to correct her and get her to comply with what I want. Chance.. when she bolted yesterday, I had to almost LITERALLY make her fall to the ground in order to stop her feet, then she was fine. A normal one rein stop wasn't enough she kept trying to go, so I let her loose again for a second then forced her to spin around tightly and she twisted herself and finally had to think about her feet cause she was starting to fall. Its scary and i cant keep getting on her and work with that. People who watch me ride her tell me EVERY time, im extremely brave to put a foot in that stirrup. Which im not brave.. im just plain stupid and determined... but i've come to terms with the truth.

I broke her basically, taught her w/t/c had a lot of GREAT firsts with her, but I've put a bunch of time and money in her and shes not giving me anything back. Its a one way street, and like the woman said, theres pot holes on the other side. Its not safe. I've learned A LOT from her.

But I know someone who may take her for free and see what they want to do with her and if I ever want to buy her back I can. I have a few options for her so im not to worried.

Please don't start attacking me please. I'm willing to listen and try not to get defensive.
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post #2 of 80 Old 04-12-2010, 01:19 AM
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I went to a horse clinic this weekend and I learned alot!!! "Your horse doesn't have an issue, they have a symthom (can't spell) of a cause..." meaning that you need to have full respect from your horse before you ride her... if this means that you just work on the ground and focus only on getting her two eyes on you then you WILL see a change. This trainer I went to see was Clinton Anderson. I dont know if you personally like him and everyone has their own opinion and I dont mean to say you HAVE to use his method but I watched him take a TOTALLY DISRESPECTFUL horse and turn this horse into a dream!!! Not one horse but three! All he did in the beginning was have the horses two eyes on him. Longing for respect is such a great method for me personally. Anyways thats my word of advice for the night.
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We do a BUNCH of ground work. We're Level 3 online in the parelli program. We've also done round pen work and lunging. Actually I have a video of some of the lunge work I've done with her.

Sadly shes a DREAM on the ground. Which is why I've held onto her for so long. I LOVE working with her on ground.
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Perhaps Chance is acting out of pain... From what I can remember, there have been numerous videos and threads about her acting up and being on and off lame.
You have been given great advice on here for literally years, HAF.

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The woman and I guessed something physical but she is sound with her shoes, shes been checked for being out of alignment and she was fine, back checked and nothing there. The only thing to know for sure is ultrasound for anything that could be going on in the inside. But how much more money is that? Shes only been lame twice in her life, the first time was when I first got her, then with this injury to her navicular bone. But with the shoe shes sound and able to relax at all gaits and put weight on her hooves like normal.

We thought lyme was the cause of her unpredictableness, but shes been treated, the weathers warmer and shes still on edge.

JDI I know i've gotten a lot of good advice, but I never took it because I felt like I could fix her and we'd be fine but when even that woman at my barn wouldn't even get on her and shes pretty fearless... it opened my eyes big time that something has to be wrong with my horse.
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I really, really hope you mean it this time. You have done everything you can to help Chance...EVERYTHING! I know what it means to love a horse, but at some point you have got to start thinking about your own neck. If you keep on, one of those close calls are going to turn into a tragic accident. All of us take a certain amount of risk when riding and we all know it, but you are taking more risk than you should, IMO. I think you are a great person for trying to work things out with your horse. It isn't going to work though. Don't keep doing this to yourself.
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Sandy I agree. I've risked my life A LOT of times and quite a few were close calls. Its been 2 years and I cant seem to get any further with Chance.

I am more then ready to let go of her now. I love her but I want to ride for fun again not wondering if Im gonna live through my next fall.

People at my barn actually are starting to ask if I came off of her during our ride everytime I ride her. It seems that everything is just escalating..
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Chance.. when she bolted yesterday, I had to almost LITERALLY make her fall to the ground in order to stop her feet, then she was fine. A normal one rein stop wasn't enough she kept trying to go, so I let her loose again for a second then forced her to spin around tightly and she twisted herself and finally had to think about her feet cause she was starting to fall.
Once again - How is she sound enough to be doing things like this yet?

Apart from that - I don't really want to put too much time into a response here, because all of the well thought out and halpful posts have generally been ignored before this. I really, really hope you go through with this and get Chance to someone who will click with her and is able to handle her outbursts. But I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't happen.

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Originally Posted by HorsesAreForever View Post
Sadly shes a DREAM on the ground. Which is why I've held onto her for so long. I LOVE working with her on ground.
It is hard to let go of a horse you love but holding onto a horse that is unsafe is not good for you, nor her. You may love doing ground work but there is a point where that won't be enough. I had a horse for 6 years, she was never broke and I held onto her because I had a bond with her and she was good on the ground but she did me no good because I couldn't ride her without the fear of her bucking me off or rearing. You may have survived those falls but there may be a day when you won't be so lucky. I say choose the option you feel is best for her and for you. I have a horse right now that I have kind of the same problem just not as bad.
Good luck (:

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People have mental issues (bipolar, depression, ADHD, what ever), I am not sure why people don't think that some horses may have them too.

I learned the hard way with one particular gelding that attempted to kill me any time he got the opportunity that anyone SMART enough to know how to deal with him, was SMART enough to not want to.
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