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post #11 of 21 Old 03-25-2013, 10:42 PM
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Don't put your gelding in with the stud for about 6 mos after he's gelded. He'll kill your gelding. It takes a while to get everything out of his system and he doesn't know your horse is gelded, it's another male horse, a horse to drive out of his territory. It would likely work out if the stallion doesn't breed a mare but once that happens, different ball game.
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post #12 of 21 Old 03-25-2013, 10:46 PM
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If he needs money that badly, he doesn't need a horse. Pretty simple math.

And gelding horse after it has bred, can lead to a gelding that is just as bad as if never gelded. Not to mention where is he going to come up with money to geld in first place.

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Stud or not, bad manners are just that. Yes, studs need to be thought about a lil more, but they aren't fire breathing monsters unless they are allowed to be. Take the kid gloves off and teach him some manners! Someone's going to get hurt if ya don't.
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Actually geldings are very good at mannering studs. We have always turned out stallions with geldings both before and after gelding them. When we used to keep several ranch studs, they always ran together every fall and winter. Over 90% of the time, when we had stallions and geldings running together, there has been one or several geldings that were on the top of the pecking order. We have had stallions that were at the bottom of the pecking order when we ran them together. We obviously never ran mares with them or across the fence.

One year we had two stallions that ran with 5 or 6 gelding all winter and when we started breeding in the spring, we were not going to breed a lot of mares (5 or 6 to each) and did not have an extra pasture to turn them in with the mares being bred to them, so we just left them together. I was sure that at some point, when I started breeding them, I would have to put at least one up in a stall. Never happened. I would get a mare cleaned up and standing tied to my stocks. Both studs stood at the gate watching. I would go halter one, take him out and breed the mare and put him back in. He would prance and strut around 'bragging I guess' and they would both head back out to graze. They hung out together most of the time. An old gelding 'ruled' the pasture. It was the 2nd year for one to breed mares and we rode him a lot. It the the 3rd year for the other, a gray son of Playgun out of a mare that won 2 reining futurities. He had been injured as a yearling and bought for breeding purposes only. Both were great to handle.

We have always found it a lot easier to manner and handle young studs that had been run out with geldings.

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Actually geldings are very good at mannering studs. We have always turned out stallions with geldings both before and after gelding them. When we used to keep several ranch studs, they always ran together every fall and winter. Over 90% of the time, when we had stallions and geldings running together, there has been one or several geldings that were on the top of the pecking order. We have had stallions that were at the bottom of the pecking order when we ran them together. We obviously never ran mares with them or across the fence.

One year we had two stallions that ran with 5 or 6 gelding all winter and when we started breeding in the spring, we were not going to breed a lot of mares (5 or 6 to each) and did not have an extra pasture to turn them in with the mares being bred to them, so we just left them together. I was sure that at some point, when I started breeding them, I would have to put at least one up in a stall. Never happened. I would get a mare cleaned up and standing tied to my stocks. Both studs stood at the gate watching. I would go halter one, take him out and breed the mare and put him back in. He would prance and strut around 'bragging I guess' and they would both head back out to graze. They hung out together most of the time. An old gelding 'ruled' the pasture. It was the 2nd year for one to breed mares and we rode him a lot. It the the 3rd year for the other, a gray son of Playgun out of a mare that won 2 reining futurities. He had been injured as a yearling and bought for breeding purposes only. Both were great to handle.

We have always found it a lot easier to manner and handle young studs that had been run out with geldings.
I thought they might be okay together, because they had been pastured together when the stud was a yearling. My gelding has kept him in his place before I took him to be boarded, and he is king of the roost there. The stud has been either stalled or pastured alone since then, so I haven't seen his interaction with other horses since he's grown. However, he's being pasture bred, with a group of five mares, none really submissive, and I was hoping he'd wouldn't be able to be dominate while with them, learn a few manners, remember how to be a horse and such so that once he is gelded it won't be so hard to put him to pasture with my gelding. Maybe they'd get along perfectly, but I'm just worried the stud turned gelding wouldnt know when to quit without being socialized and someone getting hurt, or he turning out much more aggressive than expected and I have to take the geldin out. I'll take the introductions slow, of course, so it hopefully shouldn't be a problem.
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Pasture breeding an unruly stud? You have got to be kidding me!!!! Where is the horse sense with this horse?

This is a bad disaster waiting to happen. It will not be the horse's fault when he kills some one. You folks obviously have never seen a true blown assault by a horse. You can not get away from them quick enough, and they don't come to kiss you good night, they come to end your night. I've seen them pick a large man up with their mouth and throw them 15 to 20 feet in the air, then paw and bite when he landed. Not pretty.

You need to ask your cousin if his life is worth less than the breeding fees, because that is exactly what he is risking.

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I was going to suggest pasture breeding him. I think the mares would be able to handle him better than the person in his life. It will not 'fix' the lack of respect for this person, but at least the guy won't be killed trying to hand-breed an un-mannered stud.

If he is not going to be turned in with the mares for a while, I would put the gelding he had before in with him now. They almost always go out and grunt, squeal and spar a little and then go off and graze together.

People who have never been around pasture breeding studs and have not run mature studs together have no idea of how they actually act. They 'think' they act one way when they actually develop a good herd relationship very quickly and act entirely different than most people would guess.

I would be interested to know how many other people have actually run mature studs together and/or with mature geldings? I'll bet all of the naysayers have never done it and are just guessing what they 'think' would happen.

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We ran our breeding stallion with two geldings(one an ex-breeding stallion), two bred mares and my filly for 6 months. They've been separated recently, due to the stud playing too rough with the little guys. They are tiny(28-30"), if they were bigger it wouldn't be a problem. That and my filly has finally decided to mature and start coming into heat and showing interest in the stallion.
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Trust me, I hate the whole situation and would have him gelded along with an attitude adjustment if he was mine. I talked with him again last night, and I think I'm going to try to stay out of it from now on. I can't help with the breeding and my cousin's unsavyness, but I'll keep my horse with his.

Thank you for the insight, Cherie. I agree it won't fix his owner problem, but it would teach him some sort of manners. He's headed off to be bred Monday, so I won't be able to pasture him with my horse until he gets back. I'm very much hoping they'll bond, because he seems like the inquisitive type once you get past the behavioral issues.

My gelding's definitely got him beat size wise, at least for now. I'm impressed that your stud is well behaved around the bred mares!
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Trust me, I hate the whole situation and would have him gelded along with an attitude adjustment if he was mine. I talked with him again last night, and I think I'm going to try to stay out of it from now on. I can't help with the breeding and my cousin's unsavyness, but I'll keep my horse with his.

Thank you for the insight, Cherie. I agree it won't fix his owner problem, but it would teach him some sort of manners. He's headed off to be bred Monday, so I won't be able to pasture him with my horse until he gets back. I'm very much hoping they'll bond, because he seems like the inquisitive type once you get past the behavioral issues.

My gelding's definitely got him beat size wise, at least for now. I'm impressed that your stud is well behaved around the bred mares!
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If someone is going to have really well mannered studs, doesn't surprise me at all that it's Cherie! She gives great advice.
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