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post #21 of 40 Old 07-07-2009, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FehrGroundRanch View Post
But what happened to this horse is pretty minor compared to alot of stuff that I have seen.
The most sad part is that even AC doesn't do much in some situations. There is a barn in my area with horses in really bad condition (ribby, I mean, RIBBY in way they have troubles walking). I know the BO was reported to AC, but she ALWAYS gets away. How? Noone knows. May be she has a hand in AC, or she pay them, or she can find out when they are coming and hide those in worse condition. Don't know. What else can be done? Have no idea. What drives me crazy though is the fact of the stupid idiots (excuse my french, but I usually use even stronger words), who keeps horses there FOR YEARS. Some are dying (colics, kicked, ...), some are all beat up (because 40+ horses are fighting for one round rotten bale), and it's still OK with owners. I just don't get it.... :( :( :(

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post #22 of 40 Old 07-08-2009, 08:55 AM
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That is so right Kitten! Owners need to speak up! There are so many trainers around here that beat the sh*t our of their clients horses. But the owners of the horses turn a blind eye and don't say a word. So it goes on and on.
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post #23 of 40 Old 07-08-2009, 08:57 AM
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...alot of trainers do this behind closed doors. The owners don't always turn a blind eye, sometimes they just don't know. And when they see an injury, there is some type of excuse to explain it....

That's why I would never send a horse to a "Visit your horse by Appointment only" barn. There are a good many of them around her. If I want to see my horse, I'm coming. Period.

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post #24 of 40 Old 07-08-2009, 12:05 PM
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...alot of trainers do this behind closed doors. The owners don't always turn a blind eye, sometimes they just don't know. And when they see an injury, there is some type of excuse to explain it....

That's why I would never send a horse to a "Visit your horse by Appointment only" barn. There are a good many of them around her. If I want to see my horse, I'm coming. Period.
An appointment to see an animal YOU own? That's insane.
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post #25 of 40 Old 07-08-2009, 12:29 PM
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Please remember folks - the horse was at his barn, there is no proof he ever came into contact with the horse.

Not defending him or the trainers he employs.

This is also old news. Isn't there something better to discuss?
What goes on in a barn a person owns is that person's business. He is responsible for what happens in his barn just as I am responsible if someone comes into my barn and beats a horse to death.

It may be old news, but I hadn't heard about it, so I'm glad it was posted.

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post #26 of 40 Old 07-08-2009, 12:59 PM
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When I first started riding years ago, the trainer at the barn would beat the owner's horses if they were "bad" or "needed to be taught a lesson." I mean, putting them in the stall with a chain over their nose, jerking away and beating them with a dressage whip. She wanted everyone to follow suit, and a lot of the people did, but I refused to. When we finally moved, we told several of the owners what had been going on and they promptly left the barn. This trainer went out of business completely not long after.

This kind of cruelty goes on still and it's horrible to think about. Even with all the wonderful information out there about training horses these days, people still find it okay to treat horses this way. It's inconcievable to me.
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post #27 of 40 Old 07-08-2009, 01:14 PM
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The guy got a slap on the wrist and a pat on the back.
Give me a break.

He should be banned from AQHA for life, and not be allowed to train any horse for many years.
Thing is, he's been known for years to be "harsh" with his animals... but people keep sending horses to him because he wins.

Way to keep your integrity, AQHA.

ETA - any trainer found with this sort of abuse or worse should get the punishment they're due. It's true Tiff, this is nowhere near the worst of the worst, but he should still be reprimanded, at least to send a message.

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post #28 of 40 Old 07-08-2009, 06:13 PM
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I think people like him should have the punishment imposed on him like he did with those poor horses. Someone needs to sit on him with a long shanked spade bit and sharpened rock grinder spurs and just kick and jerk away. See how he likes it.

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post #29 of 40 Old 07-09-2009, 03:39 AM
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People like him are horrible.

He should get much more then he got. I wouldn't allow him to own Horses worries me how he may treat, say, dogs, so I'd probably let him not own any animal.

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post #30 of 40 Old 07-14-2009, 04:48 PM
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Y'all are completely uneducated about this, Cleve had never ridden the horse... it was his assistant Megan(Which AQHA has done nothing to her, yet she has a history of being fired from BNT's because she is too hard on horses).
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