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post #31 of 40 Old 07-14-2009, 05:12 PM
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His barn, his employee, his name as the trainer, he cashes the checks - his responsibility. The fact that he doesn't know or have any control over those who work for him is criminal.

Look at the equipment he sells on his site. I good friend of mine in Stephenville knows him and is surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

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post #32 of 40 Old 07-14-2009, 05:41 PM
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His barn, his responsibility. It's not like Wells had a sterling reputation to begin with, this is just icing on the cake.

Plus, the fact that the AQHA hasn't done anything to the assistant doesn't improve their standing in my books.

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post #33 of 40 Old 07-16-2009, 03:34 AM
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I do agree that the BO needs to be held responsible, but the thing I don't agree with, is that the person actually responsible isn't being held responsible in any form or fashion. They should both be losing their AQHA membership, and the apprentice\assistant shouldn't be allowed to work horses anymore, period.

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post #34 of 40 Old 07-16-2009, 09:11 AM
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I do agree that the BO needs to be held responsible, but the thing I don't agree with, is that the person actually responsible isn't being held responsible in any form or fashion. They should both be losing their AQHA membership, and the apprentice\assistant shouldn't be allowed to work horses anymore, period.
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post #35 of 40 Old 07-16-2009, 11:01 AM
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Do we know that nothing has been done? The OP only brought out what the AQHA is doing to the trainer of record not his employee.

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post #36 of 40 Old 07-16-2009, 03:08 PM
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Y'all are completely uneducated about this, Cleve had never ridden the horse... it was his assistant Megan(Which AQHA has done nothing to her, yet she has a history of being fired from BNT's because she is too hard on horses).
This post mentions that nothing's been done...either way...I will definitely stick with training MY OWN horses...atleast I know how they are treated, and if someone is helping me with them I can guide them, or tell them to scram should they step out of bounds...

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post #37 of 40 Old 07-16-2009, 04:01 PM
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I wouldnt clump ALL trainers into any type of category. And I wouldnt blame AQHA for the mess. I would just consider this when making a decision to have a horse trained and make sure that I pick a trainer that has an open door policy so that I could come in and see my horse anytime, anyday, with or without notice...

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post #38 of 40 Old 07-16-2009, 04:12 PM
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I wouldnt clump ALL trainers into any type of category. And I wouldnt blame AQHA for the mess. I would just consider this when making a decision to have a horse trained and make sure that I pick a trainer that has an open door policy so that I could come in and see my horse anytime, anyday, with or without notice...
That was requirement numero uno as we searched for a good trainer for AZ for when the time to get him trained comes. I'll pay more for someone willing to let me drop by anytime.

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That's true FP84. Very good point. Not all trainers are like that and really, there are more trainers who go about things the right way because horse owners are generally more educated now than they were 30 years ago. Then, you sent a horse to a trainer and they would call you when they were done, you didn't go check on them or anything. Now, everyone is very cautious about how thier horses are being treated and trainers have had to adjust to that. I don't know if the AQHA did anything to her or not but I hope they did. The fact that he never rode the horse is kindof a null point because if his training setup is so big that he can't personally keep tabs on the training of every single horse, then he needs to either re-evaluate his management or cut down the size. He is still responsible for how the horses are treated at his barn being trained under his name.

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post #40 of 40 Old 07-16-2009, 08:32 PM
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Here's my opinion on the subject based on what I have heard. The horse was injured while Wells was away for multiple weeks at a show (this happens frequently on the AQHA circuit, that's why they need assistant trainers they trust). When he got back, he SUPOSSEDLY immediately fired her and another person working there because that person didn't alert him to what was going on. Now does Wells have a reputation of being hard on a horse? Yes, I personally wouldn't send my horse to him, there are other WP trainers I prefer with better methods. But I have a hard time completely crucifying him when he wasn't there and didn't have knowledge. Does he need to be reprimanded? Yes, absolutely. But the person who really needs to be punished is the assistant trainer who has a reputation for doing these things at other barns, being fired, and moving on to the next and is still working as a trainer.

just my own opinion, though, and makes me glad that I have two trainers I can go to and completely trust, and a third that is closely getting to that point.
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