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    06-06-2012, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Missy May    
Well, I am willing to concede that it may have been a failure on my part to communicate my point clearly, but in my defense I have to say...whenever I see the statement "I don't think" used when discussing widely recongnized training methods, I immediately think "opinion"
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them up there. I personally don't see pressure as "negative" - I see it as
For the record, when I refer to negative reinforcement, or pressure/release being negative reinforcement, I don't mean negative=bad. I mean it in behavioural terms, as negative=subtracting something. Eg. Subtract the pressure to reinforce when the horse does 'right'.
     
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    06-06-2012, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by loosie    


For the record, when I refer to negative reinforcement, or pressure/release being negative reinforcement, I don't mean negative=bad. I mean it in behavioural terms, as negative=subtracting something. Eg. Subtract the pressure to reinforce when the horse does 'right'.
I would have figured that is what you meant. I am not sure what TX meant. Those terms (negative/positive reinforcement) make a conversation easier...but I always think it is kind of funny. When my hubby "guides me" (e.g., through a crowd) using pressure here and there, I never think "negative reinforcement"...I just think, "directions". That's is the exact same thing I aim to achieve between me an my horses....guiding. Humans get the word "guide" applied to them, horses are relagated to "p or n reinforcement". It's discrimination, at best. :)
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    06-06-2012, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Missy May    
Humans get the word "guide" applied to them, horses are relagated to "p or n reinforcement". It's discrimination, at best. :)
Is that like the 'descrimination' of calling horses 'stubborn'?? If a human shows that sort of behaviour, it's often labled as 'persistence' & thought of as a good trait!
     

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