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        07-16-2013, 12:15 PM
      #231
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    Ya, definitely keep an eye out :) It was tons of fun. I just saw you're from CT, maybe we'll meet at a clinic someday!
    That's so funny about her reaction to the new pad, did you try doing any CT to get her more comfortable with it? Targeting it and having it rubbed on her?
    That is funny with the muck pile :P Whenever our dumpster guy takes my dumpster away the horses are always astounded by the empty spot in the driveway xD but my mare has done amazingly well with the dumpster, I had her targetting it and putting a foot on the loud metal and doing great with CT near it - hopefully it'll help her be comfortable with trailers in the future (but of course she only touches the dumpster doesn't stand on it).

    I always kind of understood keeping them under their threshold, but a lot of the training I'd seen (traditional and natural) encouraged horses to go over their threshold, get all worked up and then settle down. Learning that it was easier to deal quietly with the scary thing than to work when they're acting nervous. But with Tank in particular she doesn't come back down off that high for a great deal of time - and not while the concern is still present. So to work her up to her fear and rewarding for the correct responses was always much better than pushing her over her limit and bringing her back down. :)
         
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        07-16-2013, 02:34 PM
      #232
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    When I first picked the pad up to throw on her I honestly didn't really think anything of it as she's learnt to accept a blanket and hasn't bothered with new blankets so it was a lesson for me in a way. I did click and reward her afterwards - she will have it on but its easy to see how tense she is so on this one it wasn't looking like it would work so I decided to give up - maybe I shouldn't have but I feel that with all her past issues its just wasn't worth creating a big deal of it. Anyway Willow now has a smart new pad and I'll order a sheepskin in a smaller size for Loob!!!
    A lot of horses that get pushed too hard are bullied and I don't find them to be very good partners to work with and if they end up with someone who's a bit timid they soon turn into bullies themselves. The one step at a time works best for me
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        07-16-2013, 11:07 PM
      #233
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    Couldn't agree more Jaydee :) when it's something simple like switching saddlepads there's no reason not to give the horse what they want!


    I feel silly being the only one to go on and on about my horses so please everyone keep posting ^-^
    I worked with all my horses again, they're all doing so much better with mynew understandings from the clinic.
    I worked with Viking again today, this is the first time introducing this target, the first time with a target outside and his first time at liberty. I've been very afraid to work him at liberty because he is and can be very aggressive (kicking and striking) - but I decided to just take it slow and see how he did. He was great! I was careful to always feed well away from my body and worked on my timing. He was kind of funny about it, he kept shifting trying to be next to me, kind of keeping his shoulder near me. I don't know if it had to do with our last lesson where I was working on leading and making sure he'd stop next to me and stay evenly away from my space. Maybe he thought everything needed to be done from that position and kept trying to put himself there?
    I'm curious to see what others see in how we did.
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        07-17-2013, 12:14 AM
      #234
    Yearling
    Nice work Punks! I like how your stance is more balanced and your arm swings out to feed where you want the head to be.

    I moved 2 months ago, so our training time has taken a big hit because we have so many projects to do to make our barn, pastures, home and yard usable. Our new place is a diamond in the rough, really rough.

    So my focus has been getting used to our new neighborhood, mainly mounted. April, the hot headed chestnut in my avatar, freaked out so much I had to slide off to keep her from jumping into a barb wire fence when our neighbors male llama ran over to see her! So we CT'ed by the llama's field quite a bit. Now she trots over to say hi to him!

    We also are brushing up on stops and quarter turns as we are so out of practice. Everyone is in excellent health and spirits though, with 17 acres of turnout that is flat, open and full of things to eat. It seems to have mellowed everyone out a bit. Me included. I miss having stalls with water and feeders though. Now I feed them as a group outside, so our other lesson is no bossing when the humans are near.

    This thread keeps me going!
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        07-17-2013, 09:07 AM
      #235
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    I love hearing everyones progress and ideas
    He looks to be getting a lot of benefit from that sort of work
    I've not done anything with 'targeting' so really interested to see how that's going
    I think that training a horse to be polite and respectful about treats probably does more for them than avoiding altogether - though I have all respect for peoples choice on using/not using them for reward.
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        07-17-2013, 10:10 AM
      #236
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    Tiffany - That's so great, moving is miserable, but it sounds like you guys have gotten a great place - worth the work. It's awesome how quickly they change their mind about things with CT! XD We just had to get a few of our rescue ponies used to some alpacas living in our back field too - they were So confused!

    Jaydee- I started by using Shawna's targeting techniques, I've found it to be really useful for starting skills - it helps persuade horses to do new skills without having to use pressure. Like for backing up, if you put the target at their chest they need to back up to reach it - so you don't need to use any pressure. Also for teaching horses to lead - again starting without any pressure, it's very useful. It also helps with things like trailer loading and getting them comfortable in new places because it's a heavily reinforced skill that helps them feel more comfortable.
    Speaking of which, I just hung up a stationary target in Tank's stall, Shawna suggested this at her clinic because it helps give horses a safe spot to go. I had just worked with her a bit with it - this morning when I went to feed her I had her touch it then gave her her entire breakfast. Later on I turned her fan on without starting with a "taaaannkkkk.... I'm going to turn the fan onnnnn" she jumpedand went right to her new target!! It was perfect, usually when she gets surprised like that she jumps and huffs and puffs and can't settle down for a good several minutes. It was like it shifted her back down to first gear - even without me clicking and treating at the target - I didn't have anything on me :P


    I can't agree more about the treat thing, IMO if you can't safely give your horse treats then they aren't very well trained are they? But to each their own, so long as they aren't abusing their horses I've got nothing to say :P I'm just glad my horses are mine :)

    We had some new people posting up on here about wanting to start CT, I'm curious how they're doing? I think it was BlossomInSpring, LoveMyLilly and Klkavish? If you guys want I'd love to hear how all your horses are doing. :)
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        07-17-2013, 10:24 PM
      #237
    Foal
    Punkstank...Just watched the video with Revel. Oh my gosh, he is adorable and the two of you are really cute together. He did great and so did you. I love that you waited him out for a bit while he was making some mistakes and then changed the context which helped him to get it sorted out. I want to hug him. :) It is so nice to have finally met you...and I plan on seeing you again!
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        07-17-2013, 10:40 PM
      #238
    Foal
    This thread has put a smile on my face tonight...I haven't checked in for a while but as I said long ago, it was nice to show up on this thread and see things going good, with good information. A lot of times the random +R/CT discussions I come across are kind of a mess....not you guys!! Nice job everyone. :)
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        07-18-2013, 11:00 PM
      #239
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    Thanks Shawna! It was fantastic meeting you too, you really helped me sort everything out - things have been going so much smoother after the clinic :)
    Revel is really such a good boy, but his mind is a little too active :P I had to padlock his stall, he's managed to open every clip I've tried! So he's working on just some targeting stuff now - get him thinking about something productive. :)

    Tank is doing GREAT!! I can't even begin to say how happy I am. I hung a target up in her stall, I taught her to touch and stay on it, now she has to touch and stay on it while I dump her meals - so it's huge reinforcement when she does it right. Now she loves her target, you were right about them going to their target when they're afraid. I think I figured out why her fan upsets her so much too - she can't hear what's happening around the barn and gets surprised easily. This morning I walked by her stall with her fan on, obviously she didn't hear me coming because she jumped, but she ran and touched her target! Usually she huffs and puffs for several minutes before settling down :) She's also calming down in general going in and out. I'm going to start introducing 'scary' objects and getting her comfortable with them, in hopes of just building her confidence as a whole - even though most objects don't bother her.

    Viking is doing great!! I'm so proud of him, he's got targeting solid now, just touching it, not following or staying on it yet. But he has a more pressing issue with getting his feet done that I'm working on now. It was funny, I thought the trouble would be picking up his foot, but the trouble was just facing away from him! He was backing up for several minutes, trying to get me back where he thought I ought to be. But I just stuck with him and waited for him to stop and stand still and C+T. Once he got that he needed to just stay still I worked on picking up his fronts, heavily reinforcing while they were up. He's not great - he really doesn't trust people much and giving away a foot is pretty dangerous - but he's trying. He also let me clean his sheath today for the first time!! Thank goodness!

    I wish I had more time, my little pony Punkin' is very jealous, he figures out my games faster than any of the others - I just haven't got the time, and it's a million degrees out. :P when it cools off I'm going to work on doing little jumps with him! :)



    I love coming to this thread too, such great information and friendly people :) I recommend it to everyone interested in CT!
         
        07-19-2013, 09:05 AM
      #240
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    This heat isn't helping anything is it
    I had great success with the CT establishing that they didn't charge out the moment I opened the stable door but I have no use of it at present as I open all the doors and they just stand there and prefer to stay in. Every one has to be either pushed or dragged out and this morning Willow came back in 3 times before I'd even got to Looby to drag her out.
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