The horse at the end of the video where he's 'assessing' it is very calm and obliging.
Its interesting to see how different people use different approaches so you can see results and then form your own opinions
I thought in both there was a touch of the same methods Clinton uses which for me can be too confrontational for a lot of horses - and hype them up more than the average person can deal with
You have to be very fast in your responses and also present a very strong 'alpha' type personality to be able to stand your ground
I have to agree, both of those horses were pushed all the way to the breaking point before they came back down to any sort of calm. I feel like that was a very stressful situation for everyone involved (even my heart rate was up just watching the videos).
I prefer to teach rather than dominate. We want our horses to exist in some sort of "calm submission" - but those two things just don't come hand in hand.
I like to teach a skill, if my horse gets frustrated then the weights on the balance scale are getting tilted in the wrong direction. They need to go back a step and learn more thoroughly the last step before moving on. I've never had to deal with a situation of a horse being dangerous with me (while using CT), because if I see a horse reaching their threshold I back up a step - and build a stronger reinforcement history with the correct answer. When a horse reaches their threshold it won't always present as a horse getting physically tense or agitated, it may present as a horse being unwilling to work.
I think rather resorting to +P or very strong -R we need to be better teachers. I feel like we need to use our intelligence and understanding of how things learn to better teach our animals, rather than our use of tools to force animals. In both cases the animal does what we want. In the +R case the animal works willingly and eagerly, there's something in it for them. In the -R/+P case they do it because they have to, but are usually working in a state of frustration or agitation, not as willingly.
I don't need to dominate my horses, they already do what I want without any sort of physical altercation.
In fact if you look at my video I posted earlier with Tank, I am using a mild amount of -R with the use of a swinging rope to get her to move out and around (and you can see I can use just the same mild amount of 'pressure' of the swinging rope, to get any gate I want with verbal cue - I never have to increase the pressure to get more out of her, she increases her own criteria). But she was also being guided where I pointed with my hand. She got +R when she stepped over a pole (in this first lesson I didn't care which gait or how well she stepped over it, she just needed to go over). Once she got the situation and what was expected of her I should have left on the great note, I decided to push it and work in the other direction too. The change of direction confused her (like I said in that video this was her first time doing any work in this paddock, and her first time with poles - so there was a lot of new stuff for her). She got frustrated and stormed off. I had 2 choices right then +P or -P. I could have chased her around the paddock wildly until she realized that leaving me results in lots of hard work - this probably would have resulted in a much less willing partner, it would have worked her up far beyond her threshold, and would have taken away her ability to choose the right answer, because there is no choice anymore. So I chose -P, I stood still and waited, her leaving me resulted in not getting anything! She knew immediately that she could leave but leaving earns her nothing, coming back earns her +R and more work, but the work is coupled with +R, so she wants it. You'll notice in the video she wasn't gone more than a few solid seconds before she was back at my side ready and eager to do the right thing. She carried on the rest of the session doing the right thing. The whole session was a total of 10 minutes but she learned to lunge in her new paddock (at liberty) over ground poles and at different gates and in different directions. I didn't need to use any sort of force or aggression.
Here it is:
So now I'm watching an analyzing my own video, I am using both +R and +P, but my +P is done through +R xD for example, at about 2:10 Tank makes the wrong decision to go around the pole rather than over, I asked her to trot (with only a verbal cue) I used it to say "if you don't want to go over you have to work harder" but her trot is a heavily reinforced skill while lunging, so while it was a +P of "work harder for being wrong" it was also a skill she really knows how to do well and rather than her resenting it as having to work harder, it gave her confidence because she made a "Right" choice. She gets frustrated if she makes the wrong choice too many times (constantly missing the pole and not getting her reward) so if I give her something she does know how to do, while she doesn't need to be rewarded for it it brought her mind back to "oh ok, I know how to do that, let me try one more way to see if this works" I just used trotting because it kept us moving forward.