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post #301 of 387 Old 08-21-2013, 02:29 AM
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I'll def have to take a look!
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post #302 of 387 Old 08-21-2013, 10:17 AM
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I was going to ask what CAT was!!!
Please tell Punks
Its really rewarding to see a horse that's built up a distrust of humans turn around - but makes you wonder what ever happened to them to get like it
I don't have any recent videos of Looby working - I should get DH to do some really but he always seems to manage to miss the good bits and get the bad ones!!!
These are a few of the tarp ones we did - none of them had ever seen a tarp before we took the challenge and they were maybe a bit naughty to ask for their treat!!!
My very elegantly dressed husband performed very well - the horses had just all been washed hence the wet look
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post #303 of 387 Old 08-21-2013, 10:59 AM
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Jaydee those videos are great - drooling over your Clyde :3

I can't agree more! Watching a horse completely change their mind about something, especially people, is just wonderful :)
I'm still new to CAT, but it's not terribly complicated and used fairly often (without the name attached). It's called "constructional approach training", it's used through -R, it helps for horses who are just too afraid of people to be able to even engage in CT or any other training process. If the pressure of a person's presence is enough concern a horse, CAT is a great process to help them reach the point of wanting to be with a person. It's essentially Pressure and Release, you apply the pressure of your own presence - right up to the point where the horse notices but isn't yet terrified (if you pass that threshold you're only going to make them more sure to be afraid), when the horse notices you, if they respond calmly, retreat a few steps. This retreat is the 'release' of pressure for the horse. You repeat this getting slowly closer until the horse is comfortable in your presence as a whole, usually at some point their curiosity will win out and you've proven yourself not a predator, so they try to check you out a little.
Here's a good video explaining a bit about it.
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post #304 of 387 Old 08-22-2013, 12:13 PM
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I just found this article - I love it! It's exactly how I feel with my horses :)

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post #305 of 387 Old 08-22-2013, 01:05 PM
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What a lovely article - I start to get a bit nervous when people talk about riding with no tack but then she went on with so much good common sense stuff I was won over
I was interested in her bridle comment as we were worried that Honey was associating the bit with work and that meant she wasn't enjoying her work but as she's working so happily in the hackamore I'm relieved to be able to eliminate that.
Willow actually tries to put her own bridle on when you hold it up in front of her and shoves her head into it - usually ending up with the noseband in her mouth as well if you're not careful.
Looby on the other hand when we first got her used to turn her backside to me when I approached with the bridle and then clamp her teeth shut so you couldn't get the bit in which told me she'd hated the way she was being ridden
That's all gone thank goodness.
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post #306 of 387 Old 09-10-2013, 11:33 PM
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Update time!

April (my avatar) and i have been working on standing still and ground tying lately, especially keeping the head forward and down. She had been getting antsy while tacking up and set back with a small rear a few weeks ago. So back to basics.

Wish I had more to report, but school starting has cut into my horse time. How is everyone else doing?
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post #307 of 387 Old 09-11-2013, 10:47 AM
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The weathers not helping me with anything but hopefully the colder nights will see the bugs off
I find it really hard to expect a horse to want to stand and concentrate when they're being eaten alive
Last night we rode in a light drizzle, high humidity and came in with tiny little flies stuck all over us!!!
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post #308 of 387 Old 09-11-2013, 11:39 AM
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thrilled to see more updates :) wish there was more to see - but I've been in the same boat, weather and bugs make this a miserable time of year :(
I haven't done much with my horses - just doing more despooking with Tank, she's learning about all sorts of ridiculous things! Most recently power tools and guns! The guns weren't my choice, the neighbor decided he's gonna hunt the geese in his yard, so she's also learning about things falling out of the sky :( the first day was rough with that, but she's settling nicely now!
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post #310 of 387 Old 09-21-2013, 04:50 PM
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Popping in with an update. I've been doing lots of despooking with Tank and seeing some dramatic improvements in the majority of her life. She no longer shifts into her flight mode, where she just can't shift down for hours on end. Now, when something startles her she jumps and settles again. When there's something scary she may hesitate has even begun to investigate it.
She used to be a very "shoot first ask questions later" type of girl - but now she's really starting to ask questions and think about situations rather than just reacting.

I've started taking her for walks around my property every day (those of you who remember, Tank's biggest issue in life is leaving her stall/paddock - she'll freeze and refuse to move). I started the walks just by leading her with the target with the rope loose in my hand or over her neck. Her other issue involved with this is that when she feels pressure she feels trapped and panics - usually resulting in bolting back to her safe spot. So when I had her leading out confidently without any pressure, only following the target - if she spooked she could go away and come back. At first she would bolt all the way back to her paddock or where she last felt safe and I would have to lead her back out on target. Then gradually her spooks got less and less - each time staying closer and closer to the target when she spooks, now it's reached just a stationary jump/tense, then calm again. She stays with me 100% now, even when she's startled.
So now that she's good without pressure - I do hope to ride her out someday, in which case pressure will be used, at least for ridden cues. I can't have her feeling trapped and panicking just because I cued a left turn or asked her to stop if she's concerned about something. So I weaned her off the target and started using the lead rope, if she dragged behind or got ahead or stopped for grass I would apply pressure and bring up the target for her - C+T when she responded to the pressure, with less focus on reaching the target. Now the target is gone and we lead, when I need to apply pressure I C+T to proper responses, including stopping and standing when there's something concerning, backing up and yielding if she gets distracted. I always use non-escalating, light pressure with a C+T for the right response, so it's always her choice to respond correctly - the only response for the wrong choice is a lack of C+T.
We've progressed very well all around my property to the point she just doesn't care where we go on property any more.
So yesterday I had a friend with me, so we took Tank and my confident little pony out for a walk around the neighbor's farm and hay field (he mows paths for the horses). Tank was Wonderful! She would eat grass when I stopped, but as soon as I walked again she was back to following before contact was ever made. She was excited, but not afraid, and well behaved the entire walk. We saw the neighbors horses who she announced herself too, but carried on without an issue - she walked out well ahead of the pony who was having trouble getting out of the grass himself :P She was polite walking the way back too - without rushing. She was just perfect!

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