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    01-13-2010, 12:10 PM
  #41
Foal
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Originally Posted by Marecare    
There seems to be a great deal of resentment towards trainers and clinicians that just keeps building and it is even starting to impact the non-NH people.

CA does not say that he is a Natural horseman that I know of.
He is fairly successful on the clinic circuit and has lots of endorsements.

I personally am getting tired of the jealousy and resentment.
I would not pay for a CA clinic but there are people that get help from them and any success that can be had in these tough times in the horse world is fine by me.

There are way more people making it up on their own and screwing up horses without any help.
Ironically, recently finding this forum really helped me understand the need for people like Clinton Anderson. We just happen to live in an area where many of the best Western horse riders in the world are within driving distance. Due to that, there are tons of really good riding instructors/horse trainers in the area. So much so that the majority of people in the area are good riders and know a lot about horses. That being the way it is, I always had a hard time understanding the need for the clinicians.

Coming onto this forum and seeing posts from people all across the country and into Canada that are struggling with getting information and help with even the most basic horse fundamentals really opened my eyes. In our area, we take that sort of knowledge for granted as its so readily available; but I can now see the use in a DVD/clinic program such as Clinton Anderson's. It's an easy to follow program that most anyone can follow and get repeatable results.

So while it might seem unnecessary to some that have an abundance of knowledgeable horse people around them, it can be crucial to those who don't.
     
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    01-13-2010, 01:35 PM
  #42
Yearling
I Will tell you that I love Clinton Anderson. Im not big on Pat Parelli at all. I have used CA techniques on my own horse. And can now ride him bridleless. And I can tell you... he will test you to the point that no one else can usually ride him but myself. I have even worked cows with no bridle when he shook it off.
Pat Parelli... I personally believe is in it more for money. I cannot afford to spend hundreds of dollars on his training tools and DVDs. And with out his DVDs you really don't get to see what he did to get such results.
And from my own experience... and CA show on RFD-Tv... I have trained all my own horses... as well as many others and they are all great. As a matter of fact.. my horse that is so testy... I was offered $20,000 for at a cattle cutting show. (but my horses are my kids, so I refused.)

I say go for Clinton Anderson. What I wouldnt love to be his apprentice.
     
    01-14-2010, 07:32 PM
  #43
Weanling
I know I've posted my opinions earlier (about 4 pages ago!), but for me it's depended alot on the horse. Sam and William, TB's, are very flighty when you bring out the end of the lead rope or the stick. I don't know if that's a TB thing, or if that's because they were abused once before. Buck, on the other hand, is so great after a few minutes of CA-type lungeing, yielding HQ's and FQ's, and a bit of what I call "free lungeing"...I turn him loose in the roundpen and I can guide him with the end of one of my split reins. I, personally, don't like to lunge him until he's worn out, just long enough to establish respect. Oh, and I bought myself a pair of Mecate reins...love 'em.
But, to each his own. I prefer to keep an open mindset and not judge a trainer just because I don't like the way he's treating a horse on TV. You have to try the methods/exercises yourself, and then you can say "that's junk" or "that works!".
     
    01-14-2010, 08:25 PM
  #44
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Originally Posted by Jolly Badger    
Actually, I prefer the term "cynical."

Have you even tried any of CA's method or any other well know trainers?
     
    01-14-2010, 08:28 PM
  #45
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowgirl140ty    
I Will tell you that I love Clinton Anderson. Im not big on Pat Parelli at all. I have used CA techniques on my own horse. And can now ride him bridleless. And I can tell you... he will test you to the point that no one else can usually ride him but myself. I have even worked cows with no bridle when he shook it off.
Pat Parelli... I personally believe is in it more for money. I cannot afford to spend hundreds of dollars on his training tools and DVDs. And with out his DVDs you really don't get to see what he did to get such results.
And from my own experience... and CA show on RFD-Tv... I have trained all my own horses... as well as many others and they are all great. As a matter of fact.. my horse that is so testy... I was offered $20,000 for at a cattle cutting show. (but my horses are my kids, so I refused.)

I say go for Clinton Anderson. What I wouldnt love to be his apprentice.
You get it girl! That's awesome that your useing his method to train not only your horse but other peoples aswell. Im glad someone else on here feels the same as I do about CA's Method.
     
    01-14-2010, 08:52 PM
  #46
Foal
HI, wow lots of debate. I did not read every one of them so sorry if I repeat. I think it boils down to personal style and choice. From what we have seen Anderson, Parelli, Reis, Cameron are all pretty darn good and they must be doing something right.
You cannot blame Anderson for going out on his own and making it his way. Parelli did the same thing - Tom Dorrance was the original natural horse trainer ( well he probably learned from others too - at least a little). They all honour Tom. Parelli seems to teach people more ( although they all do that). The main strategy seems to make the wrong choice difficult and the right choice easy. Anderson and Cameron seem to get more to the point about how to deal with a horse. Reis is in the middle. I like Anderson (and all of them)- we have many of his DVDs. His methods work. He believes in using as little force as possible but as much as necessary (not beating but forceful -remember you are dealing with an animal that could easily kill you - I have seen a number of horses ruined by people that would not "hurt" their babies and let them do as they pleased - 'hurt' means using appropriate force). I do not see that as treating all horses the same. If you are going to sell training videos you have to have a recipe - that is what people are looking for. Anderson states that he took methods from many people and used what worked for him ( he also states that you never stop learning). It is his hope that you will get good enough to make your own methods work, but until you are that good why not use tried and true methods. It is no different than any teacher. When we go to teacher's college we are given recipes on how to teach so we have some basic skills but the real learning comes once we start working and gaining some confidence. Your best bet is to try and watch RFD TV and gain some insight into the top more well known trainers. I come from a small town in Northern ON but we have an older trainer/breeder of world class (reiner) -he believes Clinton is the only one who puts his money where his mouth is - he and his horses compete in the top rodeos. Best of luck.
     
    01-14-2010, 09:29 PM
  #47
Foal
Quote:
Originally Posted by rockaway    
HI, wow lots of debate. I did not read every one of them so sorry if I repeat. I think it boils down to personal style and choice. From what we have seen Anderson, Parelli, Reis, Cameron are all pretty darn good and they must be doing something right.
You cannot blame Anderson for going out on his own and making it his way. Parelli did the same thing - Tom Dorrance was the original natural horse trainer ( well he probably learned from others too - at least a little). They all honour Tom. Parelli seems to teach people more ( although they all do that). The main strategy seems to make the wrong choice difficult and the right choice easy. Anderson and Cameron seem to get more to the point about how to deal with a horse. Reis is in the middle. I like Anderson (and all of them)- we have many of his DVDs. His methods work. He believes in using as little force as possible but as much as necessary (not beating but forceful -remember you are dealing with an animal that could easily kill you - I have seen a number of horses ruined by people that would not "hurt" their babies and let them do as they pleased - 'hurt' means using appropriate force). I do not see that as treating all horses the same. If you are going to sell training videos you have to have a recipe - that is what people are looking for. Anderson states that he took methods from many people and used what worked for him ( he also states that you never stop learning). It is his hope that you will get good enough to make your own methods work, but until you are that good why not use tried and true methods. It is no different than any teacher. When we go to teacher's college we are given recipes on how to teach so we have some basic skills but the real learning comes once we start working and gaining some confidence. Your best bet is to try and watch RFD TV and gain some insight into the top more well known trainers. I come from a small town in Northern ON but we have an older trainer/breeder of world class (reiner) -he believes Clinton is the only one who puts his money where his mouth is - he and his horses compete in the top rodeos. Best of luck.
well said!
     
    01-15-2010, 05:06 PM
  #48
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by Candace09    
Have you even tried any of CA's method or any other well know trainers?
I sort-of followed Monty Roberts when he came out with his first book, and did all of his TV interviews. He seemed interesting, though a lot of what he (and many of the other well-known clinician/trainers) teaches is basic common sense, broken down into steps and given different names.

It's nothing you can't learn just from spending time around horses, riding and working with different types and breeds and ages. Those well-known trainers learned from doing. . .trying different things, seeing how different techniques worked with different horses.

I put more value on a personal experience than a training-program-in-a-box.
     

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