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  • How to get a horse to break at the pole
  • Wofford draw reins horse

 
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    03-05-2009, 11:08 PM
  #21
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All a matter of opinion Spyder.
     
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    03-06-2009, 03:35 PM
  #22
Weanling
I don't compete in dressage but dabble into it for my own benefit as a rider.
I do use "gadgets"...I use draw reins and martingales depending on the individual horse. (often used with a caveson, leaving enough room to fit two fingures between the horse and the nose band)
I DO NOT use them for head carriage/set...whatever you want to call it. I use them to help teach the horse to break at the pole and give to bit pressure without a fight and without the risk of hardening a horse's mouth. I've used my method on several horses, all of which break at the pole with light bit contact.(always in a snaffle)
I believe that those who havent used them before, shouldnt use them without instruction from a professional.

There will always be some sort of evolution in training...and there will always be someone to abuse it.
     
    03-06-2009, 03:45 PM
  #23
Yearling
'I DO NOT use them for head carriage/set...whatever you want to call it. I use them to help teach the horse to break at the pole and give to bit pressure without a fight and without the risk of hardening a horse's mouth.'


...Isn't that the definition of a headset--to get a horse to break at the poll with the use of auxiliary equipment (other then reins/training)?
     
    03-06-2009, 07:02 PM
  #24
Trained
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Originally Posted by mayfieldk    
'I DO NOT use them for head carriage/set...whatever you want to call it. I use them to help teach the horse to break at the pole and give to bit pressure without a fight and without the risk of hardening a horse's mouth.'


...Isn't that the definition of a headset--to get a horse to break at the poll with the use of auxiliary equipment (other then reins/training)?
This is exactly what I was about to point out.
Also I agree with Spyder's post. Just because one horse doesn't need a certain noseband, doesn't mean that it has no use or is a gadget. I ride a very sensitive horse who needs a steady contact without interference, so I use a flash. Many other horses don't need one, or need a drop or f-8 in order to get them to correctly take a contact. This is not the same as attaching a horse's face to it's chest to teach it to go in a frame. With different types of nosebands, the rider still needs to work with the horse and teach him, just with a different noseband, as with a different bit, the feel of the contact in the horse's mouth changes.
     
    03-07-2009, 11:22 AM
  #25
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by mayfieldk    
'I DO NOT use them for head carriage/set...whatever you want to call it. I use them to help teach the horse to break at the pole and give to bit pressure without a fight and without the risk of hardening a horse's mouth.'


...Isn't that the definition of a headset--to get a horse to break at the poll with the use of auxiliary equipment (other then reins/training)?
Not to me, no. I don't think that breaking at the pole is the same as head set. To me its having a horse soft and supple. Head set/carriage would depend upon conformation to me. For example, one of the horses I barrel race is not comfortable carrying himself like a reiner (breaking at the pole with a level topline) It simply fights with his conformation. BUT he will still break at the pole and give to the bit with light contact. I normally ride him on a looser rein but I know that when I need to get a hold of him he's going to do what I ask without a fight.

Just because he does it, doesnt mean I force him into that frame with the use of gadgets. It only means that he has the knowledge so that when I sit down and ask him to do something with my aids he's going give to the bit willingly.

JMO-I'm not asking anyone to agree with me. I know what works with me and I have a set of happy,healthy, and well trained horses. To each their own.
     

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