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    02-14-2012, 10:28 AM
Angry collecting

My mare has started to shake her head really fast up and down when I ask her to collect. She never used to do this. She did have really bad teeth when she started to do this, but they have bin floated now about two or three weeks ago. Is it just a bad habit now? How can I fix it?
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    02-14-2012, 11:37 AM
Even though you had the teeth corrected the muscles surrounding TMJ, the jaw and through the forehead and into the poll will still be tight and even a bit sore. Try a very soft massage to all these muscles with your finger tips. She how she reacts and either go firmer or stay light. You may need to help her relax these muscles and flush the toxins that have built up there in the time she was restricted by her dental issues. For ideas on massage look into TTouch (Linda Tellington-Jones) techniques. They are the safest, easiest to learn and use for the non-professional.
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    02-14-2012, 12:11 PM
Green Broke
What bit are you riding her in? Now that her teeth have been floated and that's not an issue, you may be able to go to a lighter bit..that's a maybe, not a sure fix..
    02-14-2012, 12:14 PM
Selena spent a long time being a complete and total b**** to me. It turned out she had a bad mouth (Sharp tooth) even though the dentist said she was fine (I had to check myself :roll: Never using THAT dentist again!)

We had the vet out and he said give her awhile to get used to not having the pain there. She would still anticipate it. It took her about a month of so to really get better. And one day I went out there and I had a completely different horse. She hasn't fought me with her mouth since then. Maybe your horse just needs to take that time, too.
    02-14-2012, 12:30 PM
Green Broke
I forgot another question...Have you had her wolf teeth checked and taken out..they are rare in mares but they will be there and cause problems..
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    02-14-2012, 12:37 PM
^ This too.
    02-14-2012, 02:49 PM
Originally Posted by banman    
my mare has started to shake her head really fast up and down when I ask her to collect. She never used to do this. She did have really bad teeth when she started to do this, but they have bin floated now about two or three weeks ago. Is it just a bad habit now? How can I fix it?
How are you asking her to collect? Collection really has nothing to do with the head, but with the horse's body.
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    02-14-2012, 03:03 PM
Agree with all of the above posts. Making a horse work in the proper frame with a rounded back and using their hind end properly does require neck, poll and facial muscles when they are working off their hind end properly. Give her some time as others have suggested. If she is fighting it and has never done so before she is telling you something.
When asking her to engage her hind end use very very light bit pressure (along with legs, seat etc. of course)and release as soon as she engages. If she has been trained to engage using your legs you should be able to stay out of her mouth all together almost. If the lightest pressure is bothering her she just may need a few days off to heal and forget she had some pain.
    02-15-2012, 09:28 AM
Mut having bad teeth makes the TMJ joints sore wich causes sorness in the neck, I have had her wolf teeth removed I am just riding her a snaffle so I don't know how I could get any lighter, she his starting to not do is as much so I think she just needs to realize there is no paine and for the muscles aroung her pole to relax.
Thanks for the help
    02-15-2012, 09:30 AM
And she is quite green and we had only started collecting about a week or two bafore I noticed her teeth were really bad so she does not collect according to my body language very much, it has to be bit contact legs and seat. She is vary light mouthed so I don't have to use much pressure in her mouth

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