Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
Try to get him working through his back. Do lots of 20m circles spiralling down to a 10-m, then back out. There are a ton of threads here about collection, a very recent one by Sonny... you might want to check those out as well, there are some very good replies.
yes look at those posts of mine about collection. It really helped me.
I perfer not to use a martingale or any other type of harsh equiptment to keep the horse collected. It doesn't teach them to keep their head down all the time....just only when they have the device on. And even you said that the device isn't working.
My boy, Sonny, had a horrible time with collection at first.But it's just being persistant. If he gave a fight, I'd keep bugging him about it until he collected himself, then I'd leave him alone.
What type of bit are you using?
The way I was taught, was to "milk" the rein....pulling one rein then the other at a constant speed. That has worked with every horse I've ridden to get collected. Once they put their head down, I stop..as a reward for doing it, but the minute they put their head up I do it again. Try that with your boy it might work
Edit: Also, for the first few times, keep your hands fairly low, and the reins apart a bit more. That worked for Sonny for the first few days we started working on collection and after a while I didn't need to do it