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        01-05-2011, 08:46 PM
      #11
    Foal
    You should turn by simultaneously moving the inside hand back and the outside hand forward so that the horse can displace its shoulder slightly to the outside of the bend. Your inside leg should displace the ribcage slightly to the outside of the bend, while your outside leg (positioned about four inches back from the normal position) keeps the haunches from drifting to the outside of the curve. These aids--an inside indirect rein, inside leg in "at the girth" position and outside leg in "behind the girth" position--keep the horse on a uniform bend from head to tail.
         
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        01-05-2011, 08:55 PM
      #12
    Trained
    MoodIndigo, question for ya. If you ask for that same trot but get off his back in 1/2 seat or 2-point, do you suddenly get the steady trot you're looking for? I only ask because I am in the same position as you. I'm a rider who is doubling as my horse's trainer. With the young ones, we really have to wear two hats. I have no problem saying I don't always know how to correct for the questions he sometimes poses to me. I just ask the above question because I know for me that when I eliminate the bulk of the "noise" that my my body creates by getting up into 1/2 seat, he is suddenly able to focus on what I actually want from him. If for some reason that is the case with your horse too, what's working for me is to start in 1/2 seat and then transition to posting until it first starts to fall apart and then go back to 1/2 seat so he can focus again. That's all I've got. If you can find a good instructor who can help you train your horse, that would probably be the best place to start.
         
        01-05-2011, 09:05 PM
      #13
    Green Broke
    MoodIndigo - years spent in the saddle does not a horseman make. I know people who have spent 20+ years riding but put them on anything other then a safe plod and they are screwed equally I know people who have been riding less then 2 years and are seriously good.

    From the one Video I have seen of your riding and the few posts I read from this thread, yes I did put you in the begginer category because:
    Your seat is not stable and it is not independant,
    Your hands move with your rising, this is very much a begginer thing to do.
    Your lower leg has no stability.
    You seem to have no idea about half halting,
    You seem to have have no idea about weight aids and using your seat
    You seem to have no idea how to properly turn a horse - it is not just about hauling on one rein and hopeing for the best.
    You seem to have very little Idea about collection and how to achieve it.
    You seem to have no idea about consistant, open contacts as opposed to hauling or setting your hands.

    So may I highly reccomend that you find yourself a far better instructor then the one you have had for the past 11 years. Perhaps one who specialises in dressage.
         
        01-05-2011, 09:13 PM
      #14
    Banned
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by MoodIndigo    
    Are you telling me I'm a beginner?

    I've been riding for 11 years, I know what I'm doing. I've obviously just picked up bad habits. My horse is young and is a tough ride. Please do not tell me where I am in my training.

    The fact that you couldn't understand my first post tells me that you are at the beginning stages of this discipline.

    If you feel you are not then there are gaps in your training and you will need to go back to the beginning stages and learn the basics.

    That can be done by getting a good dressage instructor.
         
        01-05-2011, 09:45 PM
      #15
    Super Moderator
    Mood,
    I watched the video and wasnt sure what to say about it, but reading some of the other posts helped me to pinpoint it.
    In your original post you talked about your concern with regard to him bobbling his head. And I think it was Spyder who said that you never really had the horse settled and that he was looking for direction.
    I think the way I might phrase it is that he is kind of bumping around , bouncing onto and off of the bit and your hands , as stated by others, are not as stable as you hope (and they will be someday). And since you aren't followind his mouth well enough, you are missing the milisecond when he does come to the bit. If you could find that place and kind of "take" him there and not allow him to change his mind about contacting that bit by bouncing off. It's kind of like fishing; when the trout bite's you need to take up the slack and play that fish, keepig the contact firm so he doesn't get away.
    Except in the case of the horse, in order for you to get a better feel of the opportunity, you have to drive him more rythmicallly forward and not let find a loose place to bounceoff the bit.
    So, you put your legs on, push him forward a bit more and kind of catch him on your outside rein. Once he is on it, then you can ease out a little of the contact and encourage him to reach forward.

    If you raise your hands a little you will be better able to connect them to your stable core. Your upper body seems pretty firm. The horse will need to raise his head a little too, and again, after he is steady on the bit, you can allow him to stretch out and down a bit.

    This may be off base, but you might try shortening your stirrups just one notch. See how it feels. Might offer more stable base of support.

    I think you guys a cute pair and you don't seem like beginnner to me.
         
        01-05-2011, 10:09 PM
      #16
    Weanling
    Thanks everyone
         
        01-06-2011, 03:27 PM
      #17
    Yearling
    Tiny hit the nail on the head.. It looks like your more familiar with hunter/jumpers. When you make the switch to dressage it's best to work your way down to a longer stirrup length. Your leg is unstable and from there everything else falls apart. Your hands + the leverage bit = no good.

    Next ride, shorten your stirrup a hole or two, ride in a regular snaffle and work on pushing your horse into a steady connection with the bit. Look down at your reins frequently the next couple of rides and make sure they are not going "loose tight loose tight".
         

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