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post #1 of 10 Old 06-23-2010, 10:46 AM Thread Starter
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collection, rounded-out, in the bridle, huh?

My 9-year old daughter takes lessons on our Arab mare with a wonderful instructor and it has been going great. We primarily ride in the arena and just starting to show in 4-H, with no plans to go further. My daughter is enjoying it all and not too concerned yet with how she places in the shows she just loves the experience and riding her horse.

Recently a relative with extensive showing experience (albeit 20+ years ago) came and gave her a lesson. The relative was trying to teach my daughter how to get her horse collected/rounded-out/in the bridle at least those were the terms she used. She had my daughter holding the horses head back and pushing her forward to round her out and collect her. We were told this is how to get her hind underneath her - impulsion, impulsion, impulsion! The relative encouraged quiet hands with tight reins. She said a horse needs to be taught headset as some (not all) will never lower their head without being trained to do so. She told us that we should lunge prior to our rides with the bridle secured to the saddle to help the horse learn to give to the bit. Now she wants to come back and have my daughter ride with a martingale.

My daughter is not comfortable riding like this because she has recently figured out that she can ride with minimal contact and she is just starting to get the feel of riding with light hands. She loves the feel of her horse lowering her head and stretching her back when they trot. It is not a continual thing, but it happens more and more when they ride. I think that the fact she can feel the difference is pretty cool!

I told our instructor about this lesson and she rolled her eyes and shook her head. She doesn't agree that a horses head needs to be forced into the bridle and furthermore she strongly feels that neither horse nor rider is ready to focus on collection and rounding-out. We totally trust our instructor, agree with her and will continue to take her advice but I just wanted to get opinions on this type of training. Is it something that you need to train your horse to do? Again, we are not going to start riding like this - I am just curious because my relative feels so strongly about it and she has more experience than I do.
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post #2 of 10 Old 06-23-2010, 03:51 PM
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Trust your instructor. Ignore relative.

Spent a whole hour today laying in a pasture, waiting for a sparkling vampire to show up. Alas, I woke up and looked over, only to find a mound of horse crap. Sigh.
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post #3 of 10 Old 06-23-2010, 04:12 PM
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I think relative is focusing on how to train an experienced rider instead of a young girl. Listen to your instructor and forget about the lungeing before riding if he doesn't need it to be sane.
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post #4 of 10 Old 06-23-2010, 05:31 PM
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I think relative is focusing on how to train an experienced rider instead of a young girl. Listen to your instructor and forget about the lungeing before riding if he doesn't need it to be sane.
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AGREED ! Although the relative was not giving you incorrect information, they were talking about how to train to get a finished Western Pleasure horse. Your daughter is not at that level and may never want to show at that level, so I would keep doing what you are doing. Let her have fun and enjoy riding her horse !!
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post #5 of 10 Old 06-23-2010, 05:34 PM
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I told our instructor about this lesson and she rolled her eyes and shook her head. .

I would also.

Just one thing that doesn't relate specifically to your relative. Whether it is 20 30 or 50 years ago....good correct riding has not changed and some terminoligies may change but an instructor that may have riding knowledge from 40 years back is just as valid as anyone having current experience as long as the older knowledge was correct in the first place (or at least the person learned from their mistakes).
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My oh my, oh my... Relative came over today to give us the martingale and wanted to show my daughter how to use it. Daughter didn't want to use it but with this relative it is easier to just smile, nod and say thank you and then hang it up when they leave and forget about it. In other words she will argue with you and get mad and take it personally even if you politely say no. So we agreed that we'd be polite and then be done with it.

This turned into an hour lesson on how to make her face vertical - and really no other focus. All she did was have my daughter play with the mares face the whole time! My relative turned into the martingale nazi, the keep her nose on the vertical nazi, and the NO! and DON'T nazi. Seriously, if I had a dollar for every time she said (or shouted) the word "don't" I'd be shopping for a new hand stitched custom made saddle at this very moment. I finally said it was time for us to go and I made myself and my daughter a promise to never again ride with this relative - it's just not a good idea (and now I don't care how mad she gets). My daughter was fine with that.

Alright, I think I am done ranting. I also think most of you, and our instructor, are right and that this is not what a 9 year old needs to be focusing on. What is the matter with some people???

I am very thankful for our great instructor who focuses on good, balanced riding and creating a solid foundation. And a big "yeah!" to all instructors who do the same!!
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Relative sounds like your stereotypical show rider. Pull the head in and push the legs.
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post #8 of 10 Old 06-24-2010, 12:35 AM
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Tell your relative-

"While I appreciate your expertise and your desire to share it, my daughter has an instructor, who is paid to give her lessons. She does not want any interference in her teachings. I have to adhere to her requests. Thank you. If my daughter has questions that her instructor cannot answer, we will ask you. Have a great day."

Promptly shut door in her face and lock it.

Spent a whole hour today laying in a pasture, waiting for a sparkling vampire to show up. Alas, I woke up and looked over, only to find a mound of horse crap. Sigh.
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post #9 of 10 Old 06-24-2010, 10:41 AM Thread Starter
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Draft - well put! I should print this out and read it to her if the need arises!!

Spyder - that is a great point. Good riding is good riding regardless of time. I also realize that a good rider does not necessarily make a good instructor. In fact, I have yet to see our instructor ride! We have been invited to come and watch her work with her horse (she always comes to our barn) but haven't taken the time to do so yet. Honestly, I have been so pleased with the instruction she gives my daughter and how she gives it that I haven't even wondered how she rides herself. My daughter has always enjoyed lessons but this is the first instructor that she has been super excited to ride with and continually tells me that she is learning more with every lesson. She loves her lessons and literally smiles most of the time during them. Interestingly enough, other than not allowing the horse to look at what's going on outside the arena, they don't mess around with her face at all....
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post #10 of 10 Old 06-25-2010, 03:39 AM
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You are welcome- I have pushy relatives too and had to learn to be assertive to stick up for myself.

Locking the door in their face is always a nice way to end a conversation HAHA

Spent a whole hour today laying in a pasture, waiting for a sparkling vampire to show up. Alas, I woke up and looked over, only to find a mound of horse crap. Sigh.
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