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post #11 of 32 Old 04-16-2011, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Lenuccia View Post
I agree with candandy49. The colt is too young to cope with all the new things and he might still have some hormones in his body. I would leave him alone for a couple of months (not totally but only do the basics like leading, grooming, standing...) and if possible have him pass the summer together with other youngsters. He will have the possibility to burn energy and be taught some manners. If he is mouthy then remember that he might also have some tooth issues, teeth growing and changing can also make cute little babies quite mouthy

Good luck with him, he seems very sweet on the photo.
Yes, one thing I overlooked with mouthing. Teething! But with a mouthy horse, I will let them bump into me and give them a bump as if they ran into me. So they don't become shy with my hands hitting them they discipline themselves.
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post #12 of 32 Old 04-16-2011, 09:22 AM
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Northern, not trying to start anything ok. Why would you not reprimand a naughty disresectful horse? In the wild, in any herd he would be put in his place quickly.
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Case in point, my QH mare's first born was a colt by a Thoroughbred sire. That colt was handled by us starting with his laying on the stall floor after being delivered. After he was standing and nursing the remainder of the night we left them to themselves. Next morning we haltered baby and turned them out into the stall turn-out pen. Now to the point, the colt at about 6 months was getting rowdy with kicking, rushing when being lead and nippy, etc. I called the owner of the Thoroughbred Stallion to find out how to deal with our colt. We were advised to start using an over the nose chain, reprimand the colt, your darn right. I can tell you all from experience that was what that colt needed, who we had gelded at 10 months. We kept that gelding past his 2nd birthday and had him started as a short 2 year old under saddle. I rode him for 3 months and had a offer from some friends to buy him. He went to live with them and they still own him. The colt/gelding has been a Civil War Re-Enactment Mount for 10 years now.
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So your agreeing with me?
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Yes, I am agreeing with you. As with anyone who has had youngsters of any sort whether it be children, animal or whatever teaching acceptable behavior is all important. Reprimanding a misbehavior is required in a lot of situations. The thing is with horses when it is necessary to reprimand a behavior do it then let it go until it happens again. Remember the
"3 Second Rule", even for youngsters.
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wow, I really an agreeing with so many of you today! Does a LBE need repremanding? YES! Mine sure does, but he also needed time to grow up. My expectations were a bit high and it seems yours may be too. Does the horse need to be respectful and know how to be around people? YES, but they also need to be horses. This past fall my gelding was SUPER mouthy, stubborn and had to have his way ALL the time! Now, just a few months later he is much more respectful, doesn't rush past me on the lead line and isn't nearly as mouthy. All that really changed was time. I just kept doing what was necessary and he grew up a bit more. 9mos is awfully young to be expecting so much.. IMHO
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Yes true. Has to be very quick! And consistent.
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I totally agree mbender & candyandy! Disrepectful behavior is disrepectful behavior regardless of age. It needs to be handled swiftly & consistently. I'm not saying they can't be horses, they can play alpha all they want amongst their peers in the pasture but when they are with me, I am the Alpha and those behaviors are not acceptable, period.

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Yes, disrespectful is in need of a correction.... however, at 9 months this colt is being asked to do TOO much!

Baby horses are BABIES - even though they are big babies. There is no real need to be doing everything that has already been done to this colt - and honestly, I'd say the best thing for him right now is to be turned out (with other horses!) to learn the P's and Q's of being a horse.

Any weanling-yearling I get in does : Haltering, leading, standing quietly (untied), grooming, and feet. (and they ARE expected to be respecful during all this time!) That's it, and I don't even do it every day either. (once, maybe twice a week! Give them some credit - horses have memories like elephants!). They then spend the rest of their time outside with horses who will not allow them to be rude and pushy.

I've found handling them like this has really made for AWESOME easy starters when they get to be old enough to start more serious work.

Your absolute best friend with a colt like this one is a good (provided he's gelded) alpha mare. Failing that, a nice boss gelding works wonders as well. They will teach this colt to mind his mouth and his manners - though don't expect his personality to change (he sees the humor in life - that's not "bad", I have two like him - both are VERY polite, but you can see their minds working ALL the time). He'll learn more manners by being with a good horse than he ever will from spending time with people.
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Gosh, everyone's been so nice and supportive. I really figured when I got up this morning I would read some things I didn't want to hear. But what I got was some really good communication. Thank you!

Yes, his motto in life is definitely "Let's play!" He really has no one to play with either. I have two other horses- his mom (can't put him back in with her because I just weaned him two months ago and his mom is still dripping milk) and my 18 yr old gelding, who is the best trail horse ever, but fails to reprimand the colt. He basically lets the colt climb all over him, so I separated them because I didn't want to encourage that due to the ponying incident. Maybe I should keep them together and there would be less climbing if they would be kept together at all times? I think (hope!) the older gelding would be alpha at meal time if nothing else.

It sounds like the BEST thing I could do would be to find a herd for him to spend a little time with.

I'm sure I HAVE been guilty of doing too much. He tolerates everything so well, it's like "let's see if I can put a saddle on him. Nope, he doesn't care about that either!" But I have been guilty of over-drilling the ground work in hopes of ending on a good note that sometimes doesn't come. Or maybe it does and I expect too much. I know I have been guilty of that.

He was gelded at 5 months and he's 9 months now, so I would love to blame it on hormones but I don't think that has anything to do with it. I wish it were that easy of a fix! (Maybe a lobotomy is the next step, lol! )

I do think he's teething. He "yawns" a lot. Not really to yawn, but he seems to open his mouth and run his tongue over is teeth. I asked the vet about it and he just said they don't need anything done with their teeth until they are 2-3. He does have little baby wolf teeth in front of his top molars. (But I guess there isn't much hurry to remove them at this age, or is there?)

The push I had to pony and lead him was because I really wanted him to get out and see the world, and the exercise would be good for him. Right now he is living in a round pen, and I don't want him to spend the next couple of years in a round pen until he is old enough to ride. I HATE to see horses that live their lives in pens and never get out. That is a big pet peeve of mine- people who let their horses set and never do anything with them. I know it's good for his mind and body to get out, but it is just been so hard lately.

Anyhow, if I fail it won't be for lack of trying. He just breaks my heart because I don't want to fail at this. Giving him up would be like tearing my heart out. So I will definitely keep trying unless something major happens.

It really sounds like if I could get him in a herd situation where he is not alpha for a month or two, and get all the playing out of his system, that would really help.
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It really sounds like if I could get him in a herd situation where he is not alpha for a month or two, and get all the playing out of his system, that would really help.
I think this is a really great idea!
I would think that it might be even better if you could find a big pasture, with other horses, etc, basically turn him out to pasture and do nothing except the basic stuff like hooves, for the next 6 months or more, just to let him grow through this stage. I think that would be very very beneficial for you two. He'd learn to be a good horse, he'd get plenty of exercise with the other horses (ie, no need to pony), and since you've done so much with him already, he should remember it and do fine when you take him back at a year and a half old. And you'll get a break from his baby antics.
And, by the point, he'll be more mature mentally and probably more ready to start living around humans cuz right now he needs to be around horses.

I think you're doing great with what you can do! :)

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