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post #11 of 16 Old 04-22-2010, 10:57 AM Thread Starter
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mom2pride i am given this small stall i dont have access to a round pen or paddock or anything but the stall

I did work with her today. Cleaned her stall with her in it. Moved slow. No licking and chewing but i did have ear pinning. She swung a few times and as soon as i snap my fingers she would look at me like ohhhhh fine. We did have an incident while feeding i held the bucket and touched her and she freaked out so bad and about flipped over in her stall. She hadsuch a large reaction i was suprised over it.

She settled down once she saw i was still standing in the corner and was watching her. She walked right back to the bucket now on the ground and continued to eat as if it never happened.

I can only work with her about an hour a day i wish i could bring her home and work with her off and on all day.

She is fixable i do believe and i did find out that she was at a trainers. He was riding her a year ago. And then he left the stable due to personal issues and the owner didnt know and at that stable the horse was just tossed food and water and never had her stall cleaned and the owner believes they were mean to her.

So i am now puzzled how a horse goes from an excellent riding horse to a horse that wants to hurt people. That was just a year ago. But that helps alot so i am sure once i get a halter on and get her over me touching her she will progress quickly. But i honestly think they will never be able to handle her and she will be and needs to be a one person horse.
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post #12 of 16 Old 04-22-2010, 11:26 AM
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My thoughts are a little harsher. First, I agree 100% with FlitterBug and her assessment. However, if the owners are not willing to allow you to do it your way and, in fact, they are hampering your efforts and advise, then I would walk away. It's bad enough to have to deal with a potentially dangerous horse (even if it's out of fear) but to do it with illogical restrictions, then someone is going to get hurt.

I would sit down with them and explain the what and why of the program. If they can agree completely then I would proceed. If not, then they are on their own.

Harsh, but I am not willing to help someone who doesn't have enough confidence in me to let me do it my way. That is setting yourself up for failure.

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post #13 of 16 Old 04-22-2010, 07:44 PM Thread Starter
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My thoughts are a little harsher. First, I agree 100% with FlitterBug and her assessment. However, if the owners are not willing to allow you to do it your way and, in fact, they are hampering your efforts and advise, then I would walk away. It's bad enough to have to deal with a potentially dangerous horse (even if it's out of fear) but to do it with illogical restrictions, then someone is going to get hurt.

I would sit down with them and explain the what and why of the program. If they can agree completely then I would proceed. If not, then they are on their own.

Harsh, but I am not willing to help someone who doesn't have enough confidence in me to let me do it my way. That is setting yourself up for failure.
No that isnt harsh it has been what i have been thinking but i dont know how i should say it.
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post #14 of 16 Old 04-22-2010, 08:52 PM
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Say it just like that. Give them your plan, what they can and can't do, what you plan on doing and how. They either agree and you proceed or they interfere and you let someone else get setup for failure.

That's how I do it with the few horses I still bring in. They brought the horse to me for a reason but my ego is not so big that I'm not still learning. I listen to what they say and if I feel it fits with what I have planned, great; but in the end, it is my way. I don't like failure and their interference or subversion sets me up for that. That is also why I want the horse with me, that way they can't interfere.

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post #15 of 16 Old 04-23-2010, 12:44 AM
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mom2pride i am given this small stall i dont have access to a round pen or paddock or anything but the stall

I did work with her today. Cleaned her stall with her in it. Moved slow. No licking and chewing but i did have ear pinning. She swung a few times and as soon as i snap my fingers she would look at me like ohhhhh fine. We did have an incident while feeding i held the bucket and touched her and she freaked out so bad and about flipped over in her stall. She hadsuch a large reaction i was suprised over it.

She settled down once she saw i was still standing in the corner and was watching her. She walked right back to the bucket now on the ground and continued to eat as if it never happened.

I can only work with her about an hour a day i wish i could bring her home and work with her off and on all day.

She is fixable i do believe and i did find out that she was at a trainers. He was riding her a year ago. And then he left the stable due to personal issues and the owner didnt know and at that stable the horse was just tossed food and water and never had her stall cleaned and the owner believes they were mean to her.

So i am now puzzled how a horse goes from an excellent riding horse to a horse that wants to hurt people. That was just a year ago. But that helps alot so i am sure once i get a halter on and get her over me touching her she will progress quickly. But i honestly think they will never be able to handle her and she will be and needs to be a one person horse.
If all you have to work in is that one small stall, I would RUN far far away, because this is neither a safe situation for you or the horse; I'm sorry but in order to work with a horse safely and effectively you need to be able to have him move out of your space...both for his safety and yours. This will also reduce those reactions that she has in which she nearly flips over, because she actually would have somewhere to go, and you could effectively continue to keep her feet moving. Unless they are willing to give the horse to you as a project, or sell her to you for a small price, I wouldn't continue to put yourself or the horse in danger of being hurt; a stall is not the place to 'work'.

Unless they are willing to allow the use of some proper facilities, or allow you to take her to a place so you have access to proper facilities, I wouldn't continue, because you probably won't get extremely far working in a stall.

"The ideal horseman has the courage of a lion, the patience of a saint, and the hands of a woman..."

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post #16 of 16 Old 04-23-2010, 09:33 AM Thread Starter
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Thank you guys working with this horse has dropped my own confidence and has started up some fights with my fiance and i over if i am going to live thru this. After yesterday i wasnt sure. They dont have the proper set up to really do much except for putting her in a 1/2 acre paddock with my mare but no way to get her there as they would have to run her from paddock to paddock.

She didnt mind me touching her the first time but the way she acted i cant help but wonder is something is happening worse to her while i am gone as they say they have people coming in the barn and getting horses out when they are not there.
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