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    01-16-2011, 12:51 PM
Originally Posted by LJohnson    
LovinMyRy, I didn't mean to tap him with the lead rope. I mean a real rope - Lasso. Toss the loop over the top of his hind end, and when you tug on it the pressure will push against his back end and his feet will have to move. My mare would plant her feet when I went to get her in the pasture. She was easy to catch, but then wouldn't move. This worked like a charm, and it required little effort and didn't get either of us worked up. If you don't have access to a lasso, grab an extra lead and hold the ends with the rope around his rear. Hope it works for you.
Gotcha. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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    01-17-2011, 06:54 AM
I think using a whip or a dressage whip will work wonders, but you don't want to make him afraid of whips by wacking him with it! You could try just annoying taps at first (while facing forward and putting a little forward pressure on his halter) start light and if he doesn't respond continue to tap a little harder each time until he moves. I totally understand that wacking his would be similar to what wild horses do to each other but I know that my horse can get really skiddish and if I wacked her with the whip she would just be terrified of it, something I wouldn't want. Of course, all horses are different and maybe your horse wouldn't care? Just a suggestion. Good Luck!!
    01-18-2011, 04:06 AM
Originally Posted by LovinMyRy    
Its funny he seems to be a bigger jerk when its not just me and he has to show off. Weirdo lol
Perhaps that's due to whatever previous experiences he's had with people, or not had. Yeah, I used to get so frustrated with my first horse 'showing me up' when I'd want to show him off... he'd perform beautifully at home and at our usual 'haunts' but if I took him to someone else's or asked someone to come watch, go to a clinic or such, he'd almost invariably make a fool of me! But learning that horses don't generalise well at all made sense of this behaviour - he was an ex-showjumper who had had a very hard life before me, used to get towey in any out of the ordinary or 'showey' type situations, and also I came to realise just because he'd learned to behave in such a way in one situation with me, didn't mean he necessarily understood how to do it regardless of situation & environment. Once I learned this & started *teaching* him how to behave in a range of different situations, he was finally able to come to the party with me!
    01-18-2011, 05:07 AM
Originally Posted by Five Furlongs    
I totally understand that wacking his would be similar to what wild horses do to each other but I know that my horse can get really skiddish and if I wacked her with the whip she would just be terrified of it, something I wouldn't want. Of course, all horses are different and maybe your horse wouldn't care? Just a suggestion. Good Luck!!
Yes, I think a big consideration of punishment is in the way you do it & your intent and the relationship/communication you already have with your horse... not to mention different horse personalities. I don't have a problem at all with timely & appropriate punishment, but positive punishment is something that is often misunderstood, resented, feared, etc, so I think it must be used with full understanding & carefully & judiciously. I know that horses sometimes treat eachother harshly, but on that note, I don't think that's an argument for us to do the same 'just because', as for one, I don't think horses see us as other horses & don't understand us & our behaviour in the same manner as they understand others of their species.
    01-18-2011, 08:16 AM
Just wanted to give you an update. I think I figured out the problem. Since he came down I had just been working on some groundwork and fears he riding. The other day I tacked him up and we went out for about an hour. The first 20 min he was a monster...not listening at all but I refused to get off until he stopped being a butt and started to listen. Once he calmex down we went on a nice trail ride and let him open up and canter a bit as a reward. After I got back to the barn and got off I had my respectful Riley back. He followed me around and listened perfectly. I think he thought he had gone on vacation and could be a brat. I know part of his issues was the lady that owned him previously would get frustrated when he acted out and give up and go get another horse so its a learned thing with women he's never once been a snot with my husband who has no horse intrest go figure lol. I just think riding and not giving up made him realize I am the boss not just a buddy.
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