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    04-15-2009, 01:34 PM
  #1
Foal
Smile Confused why so much constriant USA horses?

I am not Pat Parreli or Monty Roberts, but I was doing their stuff back in New Zealand in
The mid 80's as a teenager. Could ride an ex racehorse through streets with a peice of string.
I agree with a lot of their stuff, I just haven't made money from it.
Instead I have rehabilitated abused horses, and found them good homes.
The 2nd worst (breaks my heart the worst) Could not get near him, (touch his head, feet, bad enough rearer to go over. In a week I could catch him right away in a 2 acre paddock, and brush. A week later hooves (clean out) bridle,saddle and ride. Got him on cattlework, and he was magic.
RReared a couple of times, but twice he came over - when I first rode him - and 3 yrs later when we were helping put drought ridden cattle through our town, and he hated staying still. Both times I had time to get off the saddle.
I sat on his head. 4 yrs later he has never reared since - even after not being ridden for months!
He is a QTR Horse/ARAB X.
A lot of you (not all) Seem to have to Curb bits (so vicious), cross ties (can't control your horses?) and have to have Halters to catch them?
All you guys/gals are here on problem pages for help, of which I applaud you. But please!!! Treat your horse as a living/thinking and reactive being!
They are naturally free beings! Get to know your horse, know it doesn't like the hard bit, it doesn't like to be constrained so it can't move.
If I can get a previously untouchable horse to calling him in a 2 acre carrying saddle, and he canters up to me to be brushed etc, saddled without being tied up (and this is from yesterday ridden, or from last ride 6 months), then I think I do know something about Horses.
Please treat your horses as a soul with feelings?
     
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    04-15-2009, 01:37 PM
  #2
mls
Trained
Wow - I so disagree with most of what you said.

ANY bit is bad in the wrong hands.

Putting a horse in crossties to groom and tack does not mean it can't be controlled.

And so on and so forth . . .
     
    04-15-2009, 03:05 PM
  #3
Super Moderator
I agree with mls. Especially about the bit.
A bit is only has severe as the hands that are controlling the reigns.
     
    04-15-2009, 03:05 PM
  #4
Yearling
Yeah...wow. I agree wholeheartedly to what mls just said. Just because you go out into the pasture with a halter for your horse doesnt mean that you don't have respect for your horse. Like said, ANY bit can be nasty in the wrong hands. What you should start doing is understanding that all horses are individuals that need understanding in that way, not just by the ways of natural horsemanship. I love what Monty Roberts does, not so much with Pat Parrelli. Monty treats horses as horses. Just because my horse doesnt canter up to me in the pasture doesnt mean that we arent in harmony with one another...
     
    04-15-2009, 03:27 PM
  #5
Trained
I use bits. My horse comes up to me in the pasture.

I've also used hobbles out on the trail and to teach him to give.
I use spurs.

My horse and I still have a great bond.

Like everyone else says. Anything can be abusive.
     
    04-15-2009, 03:27 PM
  #6
Weanling
OH NO! Not a dreaded... halter! I personally find a horse cantering straight at me a little scary and don't really want any of my horses to be that enthusiastic.
     
    04-15-2009, 04:11 PM
  #7
Weanling
Yea I don't get this post at all....

But here's some scenarios for you: You're leading your horse from his turnout to the barn. A tree falls in the woods and makes an ENOURMOUS noise. The horse spooks and his instincts tell him to take off. You pull on the halter a bit to get his attention. The horse feels the pressure you're applying to his head and focuses on you. He calms down enough for you to bring him inside and go about your day.

Scenario 2: Your horse is walking next to you with no halter or lead. Same tree falls, same "fight or flight" instincts kick in with this 1000 lb prey animal. Before you even know it, the horse takes off with no pressure from the halter or anyway to stop him, runs into the road, and gets hit by a mack truck.

This is why I put a halter on my horse. All horses can spook. Many people call their horses "bombproof", but every horse has that limit where instinct, the same instinct that has kept them alive for millions of years, overrides their training. Why not use precautions to keep them safe when they do?
     
    04-15-2009, 04:40 PM
  #8
Showing
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Originally Posted by EternalSun    
Yea I don't get this post at all....

But here's some scenarios for you: You're leading your horse from his turnout to the barn. A tree falls in the woods and makes an ENOURMOUS noise. The horse spooks and his instincts tell him to take off. You pull on the halter a bit to get his attention. The horse feels the pressure you're applying to his head and focuses on you. He calms down enough for you to bring him inside and go about your day.

Scenario 2: Your horse is walking next to you with no halter or lead. Same tree falls, same "fight or flight" instincts kick in with this 1000 lb prey animal. Before you even know it, the horse takes off with no pressure from the halter or anyway to stop him, runs into the road, and gets hit by a mack truck.

This is why I put a halter on my horse. All horses can spook. Many people call their horses "bombproof", but every horse has that limit where instinct, the same instinct that has kept them alive for millions of years, overrides their training. Why not use precautions to keep them safe when they do?
Thank you eternalsun. You saved me a lot of typing. Hector, just because you do that with your horses doesn't mean that everyone else that does something different is wrong. In the wrong hands, yes, a curb can be cruel. But in those same wrong hands, so can a snaffle, a bitless bridle, and a rope halter. Cross ties don't mean that the horse is uncontrollable (most pix of horses in cross ties you see them with one foot cocked and about to go to sleep). And I agree with onetoomany, a horse cantering up to you in a pasture can be very dangerous. All it would take is them misjudging the distance to you and slowing down one stride too late for you to be run over. A horse is a horse and must be treated as just that. Yes, you can be their friends but you must also be the "alpha". Just because you handle your horses a certain way does not give you the right to talk down to everyone else who do things differently.
     
    04-15-2009, 04:44 PM
  #9
mls
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by smrobs    
Hector, just because you do that with your horses doesn't mean that everyone else that does something different is wrong.
I want to know how gentle it was to get the horse on the ground to sit in it's head. I think that is wrong!
     
    04-15-2009, 04:47 PM
  #10
Showing
Quote:
Originally Posted by mls    
I want to know how gentle it was to get the horse on the ground to sit in it's head. I think that is wrong!
Haha, I had forgotten about that part. Your right mls. :)
     

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