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        04-15-2009, 04:55 PM
      #11
    Weanling
    Not to mention I've seen way too many videos of people that have horses that canter up to them and the people are going "Oh how sweet Fluffy is running up to see me." Then ya look at the horse and the body language is anything but sweet and one has to wonder how it is that the person hasn't been run down yet, but ya know it's coming.
         
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        04-15-2009, 05:42 PM
      #12
    Foal
    Wow, where I have been. I did not realize that bits, cross-ties and halters are all a thing of the past? Crap...I must really be out of the loop. Why didn't anyone tell me?
         
        04-15-2009, 09:51 PM
      #13
    Started
    Rofl newhart. I just wanted to add that I myself have witnessed the parellis using halters...just check out rfdtv sometime. I just watched linda give a demo of playing at liberty with your horse and she said that anytime your horse is not listening, put the halter back on and work with him that way again. You would not believe how much stuff I have read and watched on tv trying to educate myself on horses and never once have I heard anybody say that halters shouldnt be used. Also, I have asked for a lot of advice on this forum. I feel like that all the advice that has been given me has all been very constructive advice that will get the job done in the most gentle way possible and help build a relationship between me and my horse at the same time.
         
        04-15-2009, 10:23 PM
      #14
    Foal
    "I am not Pat Parreli or Monty Roberts, but I was doing their stuff back in New Zealand in
    The mid 80's as a teenager. Could ride an ex racehorse through streets with a peice of string."

    Well lets analyze this, I could probably hop on my friends ex-racer with a piece of string, he is a sweet horse. But this is not safe or smart. You are putting your self and your horse in extreme danger by doing this.

    "I agree with a lot of their stuff, I just haven't made money from it."

    Well seeing that (in my opinion) a lot of Monty's stuff is lies, and pat's stuff is just crap I'm somehow not surprised.

    "Instead I have rehabilitated abused horses, and found them good homes."

    Ok that's good.

    "The 2nd worst (breaks my heart the worst) Could not get near him, (touch his head, feet, bad enough rearer to go over. In a week I could catch him right away in a 2 acre paddock, and brush. A week later hooves (clean out) bridle,saddle and ride."

    HOW did you do that? Was it actually getting him to trust you or was it running him until he was tired and gave in? HUGE difference.

    "Got him on cattlework, and he was magic.
    RReared a couple of times, but twice he came over - when I first rode him - and 3 yrs later when we were helping put drought ridden cattle through our town, and he hated staying still."

    If he was still going over and rearing you DID NOT "cure" him. Rearers are dangerous and from the sound of it you couldn't find the bottom of the problem. Why didn't he like to stand still. Lack of training? Pain? You need to analyze that. And if he had been taught to stand quietly in the first place and you had found the problem three years prior to him doing that it most likely would not have happened.

    "Both times I had time to get off the saddle.
    I sat on his head. 4 yrs later he has never reared since - even after not being ridden for months!"

    Because you know sitting on their head is soooo natural. How did he react to that one?

    "He is a QTR Horse/ARAB X."

    I ride one too, I think your trying to emphasize the arab part. Most of them are pretty good so your point is....

    "A lot of you (not all) Seem to have to Curb bits (so vicious),"

    In the wrong hands any bit can be bad- used correctly they are great tools. When you know how to ride in one there is NOTHING"visious" about a curb bit.

    "cross ties (can't control your horses?)"

    Well I can't be standing there every moment and I don't want my horses running off or towards the road thank you. And before you ask one horse ground ties and the other is learning but if it is available I'm using cross ties or tying for SAFETY REASONS.

    "and have to have Halters to catch them?"

    Do I need a halter, probably not. Do I use one? Yes, it only takes one time for my horse to run into traffic.

    "All you guys/gals are here on problem pages for help, of which I applaud you. But please!!! Treat your horse as a living/thinking and reactive being!"
    Yep I treat them like horses. They are not humans. They are ANIMALS with HERD INSTINCTS. They do not think or act like people becuase they are not.

    "They are naturally free beings!"

    Until we domesticated them...oh a couple THOUSAND years ago?

    " Get to know your horse,"

    I know both my horses very well thank you.

    " know it doesn't like the hard bit,"

    Which is not that harsh, and both (well winnie and Sky when she was ridden) would/do go well in what I put them in. Ears forward or listening to me and happy to be out and about.

    " it doesn't like to be constrained so it can't move." neither horse cares about cross ties, I think if they cared I would be a flattened pancake.

    "If I can get a previously untouchable horse to calling him in a 2 acre carrying saddle, and he canters up to me to be brushed etc, saddled without being tied up (and this is from yesterday ridden, or from last ride 6 months), then I think I do know something about Horses."

    That does not tell me you know anything about horses. My old horse use to come cantering at me in the paddock...with his ears pinned straight back. Do you know about body language, conformation, how to ride correctly, how to design a feeding plan, how to detect lameness etc? if you can prove that and not be cocky about it like you are right now, you might know something.

    "Please treat your horses as a soul with feelings"

    OR you can treat them like a horse, which I think mine have it pretty good compared to others out there. I treat them like animals meaning I don't try to treat them like humans and they are perfectly happy with the way things work.
         
        04-15-2009, 10:28 PM
      #15
    Started
    I think I missed that memo too, NewHeart. I guess we don't need any tack at all, right? We should also probably stop giving cues all together.

    How about we let our horses ride us, instead?

    On a more serious note, I don't see any problem with halters, bits, or cross-ties. Anything is harsh in the wrong hands, as mentioned.

    Just because you don't use something, or feel the need to use something, it doesn't mean it's wrong to use it. It is wrong to use anything improperly.
         
        04-15-2009, 10:29 PM
      #16
    Weanling
    Oh and also- this is not just in the US. Pretty sure halters, bits and crossties are fairly universal. Then again maybe the OP isn't from this universe.
         
        04-16-2009, 12:58 AM
      #17
    Weanling
    LMAO!! Hmm well I guess that takes care of training my horse. I guess I'll just let him be himself and hope that someday he'll invite me onto his back... and if he decides to kick and rear and stuff I'll just sit on his head. Do you think baking him cookies would help?

    P.S.
    I think your post was meant to bash the USA... are you a USA hater?
         
        04-16-2009, 01:04 AM
      #18
    Started
    Yeah, I think cookies are a great way to get what you want out of your horse. Just have someone with a tray of cookies walk in front of your horse at all times - then you won't need halters, bits, or cross-ties - he'll just go where the cookies are! -.-
         
        04-16-2009, 11:05 AM
      #19
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by LeahKathleen    
    I think I missed that memo too, NewHeart.
    Thank God, at least there are a whopping two of us left. We must ban together!
         
        04-16-2009, 11:32 AM
      #20
    Showing
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by hectornikki    
    in a week I could catch him right away in a 2 acre paddock, and brush.
    I'm sorry, but it doesn't sound very impressive.

    I got my paint wild and badly abused (to the point she still doesn't like men after over 3 years). After a week I let her loose in 5 acres pasture with other horses and never should CATCH her, because she just came to me right away. My qh, who was completely unhandled when I got her started to come to me to the gate from 20+ acres pasture on 3rd day I owned her.

    EVERYONE has own methods and ways to work/treat the horse whether they go Parelly, Roberts, whatever or just own technique, so it's impossible to say one person/methods does it better over another.
         

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