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    04-24-2009, 12:45 PM
  #1
Weanling
a couple problems....help, please!

Splash has a couple of problems. Actually, I probably have a couple problems and thus he has problems. So...any help for me or him would be good.

He likes to toss his head and rub it on me. I know if shedding time of year and he's itchy but whenever I raise a hand to push him away he jerks away because he thinks I am going to smack him. Its getting annoying because he keeps bonking me on the head. So right now he is wearing a rope halter and I just jerk down on it twice real quick.

Next. He doesnt like to stand still when I mount him. I finally got to where I could get on but as soon as I sat down he would move off. Well I would gently pull back on the reins and say woah but he just toss's his head and wont respond to the bit. I ride him with a d-ring snaffle...so any ideas would be good. He is distracted by the horses in the pasture but still...
     
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    04-24-2009, 02:17 PM
  #2
Yearling
The advice that I can give for the head rubbing: even before he does it, even when you think he is going to do it (I am sure you know the signs) jerk on the rope halter, just as a warning. He will soon get the idea that its not too comfortable and he gets reprimanded for it each time.

For the mounting, work on flexion. Slide your hand down the rein and pull in, making him swing his head around and keep his head there until he quits moving in a circle. When he stops circling, mount and then release him. If he starts to move again, just keep doing the flexion on both sides until he knows that he doesnt get to go anywhere without standing still. Hope this helps. Good luck!
     
    04-25-2009, 03:32 AM
  #3
Foal
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Originally Posted by cowgirl4jesus94    
Splash has a couple of problems. Actually, I probably have a couple problems and thus he has problems. So...any help for me or him would be good.

He likes to toss his head and rub it on me. I know if shedding time of year and he's itchy but whenever I raise a hand to push him away he jerks away because he thinks I am going to smack him. Its getting annoying because he keeps bonking me on the head. So right now he is wearing a rope halter and I just jerk down on it twice real quick.
Not a fan of jerking on the halter. Instead I'd go with Prevention. Prevent the problem and then it won't happen and then the horse will know what's expected of him and you're not wasting your time reacting to him. Jerking can lead to having to jerk on the halter every now and then and if the horse turns it into a game...well, you've got a habit.

But if you simply prevent it....you stop it in its tracks and you insert a good habit.

Simply don't allow him to stand close enough to you for him to reach you with his head. BACK HIM UP. He steps forward when you didn't invite him, then look at his chest and tell his chest to back up, it'll take the rest of the horse with it. Soon as the horse backs off enough, leave him alone. Repeat every single time...and in one lesson, you can teach him to stand out of your space and stay there.

When you lead him, reinforce this by backing him the moment he tries to rub on you.

Use a whip or a crop: (1) kiss/cluck, (2) turn and tap the air in front of his chest, if needed (3) tap his chest ....at any time, when he backs up, leave him alone. Repeat as necessary = he will stop crowding you and he will not rub or hit you with his head ever again. You taught him a cue.

Pick a specific distance for him to stop and stand. This way, he'll know where his "spot" is and he'll not crowd you to rub against you anymore, because he'll know what's expected of him.

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Next. He doesnt like to stand still when I mount him. I finally got to where I could get on but as soon as I sat down he would move off. Well I would gently pull back on the reins and say woah but he just toss's his head and wont respond to the bit. I ride him with a d-ring snaffle...so any ideas would be good. He is distracted by the horses in the pasture but still...
Not two reins, but go with one rein.

Pick up one rein.

Bring the head around.

But more important, tell the same hip (left rein/left hip) to move over, and the back feet cross....when the back feet cross....this tells the horse to stop all forward movement, because he can't go forward and cross his back feet = it's a very direct way to tell the horse to STOP and stay stopped. Because soon as he stops and stands, you release the rein.

Get one or two good cross overs (by applying leg) before you give him the chance to stand still. Soon as he takes that offering and stands, let him alone and just sit there.

What you're doing also is telling him: if he offers movement without being asked to move, you'll direct it and it'll be more work, but if he stands there, he gets no pressure from you. He'll choose to stand still and it'll be his idea = he'll want to stand still.

From then on,...never walk off soon as your butt hits the saddle. Sit there and count to 5 at least then move off.
     
    04-25-2009, 08:36 PM
  #4
Weanling
I don't mean this in offense, but why does your horse think you're going to smack him in the face? If you think or know someone is smacking him in the face, put an end to it now. Smacking a horse in the face is the easiest and best way to make your horse headshy and in turn learn to distrust you. When your horse rubs on you, back him up. Move his feet. Make him associate rubbing with tedious work. And in your downtime, work on his headshy-ness. Now... here comes Clinton Anderson to the rescue!
Here's a video for head shy horses:

And here's a video on teaching your horse to stand while mounting:


I'm currently using the mounting techniques myself, and they are working very well. Good luck.
     
    04-25-2009, 08:40 PM
  #5
Started
For the rubbing, I always offer my elbow. Anytime he goes to rub just stick out your elbow. I don't mean to hit him with it, but it is no fun to rub on a sharp pointy elbow, lol
     
    04-25-2009, 09:04 PM
  #6
Foal
Pat Parelli suggests the "porcupine" game when they are are wanting to use you as a scratching post. Which suggests that you rub with stiff fingers a little rough until they move away. Nothing that would injure the horse, you just want to make it a little uncomfortable. They wont look to you as an option anymore. That way you don't look like the bad guy by jerking on the rope. The horse just says "no thanks, I'll take this tree over here instead".

I agree with Clinton Anderson and the mounting issue. Great video clip Eternalsun
     
    04-26-2009, 11:03 AM
  #7
Green Broke
Is splash the one in your avatar? How old is he? He looks very young; too young to be riding.

You won't be able to get him to stand still for mounting until he will respond to the bit. Work with him on the ground in hand and ground driving, until he will readily slow, stop, and turn with the bit. THEN he'll be ready for undersaddle work.

I would have his teeth checked to make sure the bit isn't hurting him, and I'd try using a french link or other double jointed bit. Some horses do not like the nut cracker effect of a single joint bit and will toss their heads.
     
    04-26-2009, 07:16 PM
  #8
Weanling
Thanks so much for your guys help. Thanks for posting the videos, Eternal. I am looking forward to trying those techniques with him sometime this week. ( if the weather ever gets nice! ) As for why he thinks he's going to be slapped. I have bonked him with my elbow or smacked his muzzle if he is nudging me. Never slapped him.

Luv2ride; Yes, splash is the one in my avatar. He is 5 years old. I know he is at least that because he has his canine teeth.

Let me know if you guys have any more idea's. But I am def. Excited to try the anderson and calamityjanes ideas. :)
     

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