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    11-13-2011, 08:17 PM
  #11
Trained
Okay, the first "how" is don't spend $1000 dollars on junk training gimmicks. The second "how" would be to get a gentle, quiet older horse that she can handle with less difficulty. Then she can get a riding instructor for herself and a trainer for her bff horse.

I'll never figure out why the Parelli crowd always suggest the 7 games dvds. Why do you think a person with very little experience can learn to ride a horse and train it at the same time from a DVD series.
     
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    11-13-2011, 08:17 PM
  #12
Trained
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
My first advice would be to become less terrified of your horse. If your terrified then you won't have the mental capacity to do anything but hang on. The other advice would be to forget about your disney movie bond and start treating this horse like a horse instead of a really bad best friend.
Agree with this 10000%

Trust me, your horse does not see you as their "best friend."
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    11-13-2011, 08:42 PM
  #13
THN
Foal
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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
My first advice would be to become less terrified of your horse. If your terrified then you won't have the mental capacity to do anything but hang on. The other advice would be to forget about your disney movie bond and start treating this horse like a horse instead of a really bad best friend.
Totally Agree! (gasp)

My suggestions is to do ground work with your horse and I honestly don't care what "method" you use. Use what works for you and your horse, but you need to establish yourself as dominant and squish any attempt to challenge that dominance. If you are fearful then your horse is obviously dominant. If you can't ride your horse without fear then you need to ride some other horses and gain confidence and learn to ride w/t/c/ee (walk/trot/canter/everything else). If a horse chooses to crow hop all the way around the arena you need to be able to say "ok, I like this gait lets keep going".

Long story short:
You fall he wins, you stay on you win. You gain dominance and always win he stops playing.
     
    11-13-2011, 08:59 PM
  #14
Trained
I agree with Kevin. If your human bff always greeted you with a punch in the stomach instead of a hug you'd dump them like the load of schyjt they are. Why are you tolerating this from your horse? If your horse is crow hopping all over Hades and half of Georgia with you on his back you do NOT have a 'Disney Movie Partnership' except in your dreams.

If you won't sell the horse, then you need to get the upper hand quick. If he's crow hopping, he's got his head down. Everytime he drops his head for a bucking session, YANK it back up and beat his little butt until he quits. If you can't stick it, then get a trainer who can and will make him wish he'd never thought about bucking in the first place. Then take lessons on the horse so you learn how to keep him from walking all over you.
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    11-13-2011, 10:05 PM
  #15
Started
Wow, Kevin, your advice could add up to a far prettier penny than mine!

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Originally Posted by kevinshorses    
1.Okay, the first "how" is don't spend $1000 dollars on junk training gimmicks. 2.The second "how" would be to get a gentle, quiet older horse that she can handle with less difficulty. 3.Then she can get a riding instructor for herself and a 4.trainer for her bff horse.

I'll never figure out why the Parelli crowd always suggest the 7 games dvds. 5. Why do you think a person with very little experience can learn to ride a horse and train it at the same time from a DVD series.
1. I didn't ask her to spend anywhere near $1000, & certainly not on "gimmicks". She might be able to buy a used 7 Games video on ebay or forum like "It's About the Horse" where they have a merchandise thread, for a few bucks, yet even at full retail, 7 Games dvd isn't going to set you back much. I'll add, however, that you need a knotted halter (no flat web/leather) a yacht-braid 12' lead line, & a carrot stick OR reasonable fascimile (at less cost). I feel that anyone who can afford the upkeep on a horse can afford this equipment, so feel no twinge of conscience recommending them.

2. Getting a second horse may not be feasible, due to space/time/availability & financial constraints!

3. A riding instructor is going to eat up $ big-time, at price of most these days!

4. A separate trainer for the horse is likewise going to slim the wallet, aside from the fact that the owner needs to gain the skill for the horse, so off-to-the-trainer doesn't fix their relationship! The horse's innate horsenality won't change from going to a trainer; he'll have it ready & waiting for owner when he returns. ;)

5. The student learning 7 Games isn't riding the horse; that's the entire point of it! Groundwork is always where one starts with a horse, lesson 1 for any student. Embellishments: You'll never get more respect in the saddle than you do on the ground, & it's safer on ground, for both horse & human, so start on ground. You get the leadership of the horse on the ground before you even think of mounting, yet before you swing a leg over, you ask permission of the horse to do so; it's politeness like that which will cause your horse to want to keep you in the saddle rather than dump you.

OP, you know your own financial & other constraints; I'm sure that you can decide what's best for you & horse with the suggestions given here. Good luck!
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    11-13-2011, 10:27 PM
  #16
Green Broke
I have never ever asked a horse for permission to get on it. I can garentee any horse of mine would tell me to stick it where the sun don't shine and carry on grazing.

Because I am boss I go where I like a touch what I want to and I jump on his back whenever the hell I please.

I have a very well mannered horse who is well used to me randomly attacking him with clippers, doesnt bat an eyelid at me pulling hoods over his eyes, that i'm not scared to ride and that I can ride at any point I feel like. He will walk anywhere I tell him to, through the deepest of water and in the heaviest of traffic. He does so because I am boss end of discussion as far as he is concerned. What the boss says goes.

OP you need to be boss NOW! Or you need to get someone in who will teach you how, train you and the horse and sort you both out,

No DVD in the world can teach you that, all it will do is teach you to wave a very expensive orange stick at a horse. Ignore the horsenality BS and the rest of the parelli waffle and get yourself a real trainer.
     
    11-13-2011, 11:03 PM
  #17
Trained
Oh I like you faye! Rofl
     
    11-13-2011, 11:18 PM
  #18
Green Broke
Thankyou Dreamcatcher.
     
    11-14-2011, 12:01 AM
  #19
Super Moderator
I think she needs a 'reality check' and not a bunch of games to play.

Her horse does not need a psychoanalyst or a label to call him. He does not need a 'best friend' but a leader to take charge before he hurts her. He just needs a competent leader.

He is spoiled and she cannot get the situation under control as long as she is 'terrified' of him.

I think her best solution would be to work with a qualified trainer. She does not know how horses think and respond. If she does not want this horse to become a rank bucking horse, the bad behavior has to be stopped. And Yes, she should learn how to instill good ground manners in this horse and how to become a good leader and how to be in charge of this horse, both on the ground and in the saddle. That sure cannot happen as long as she is afraid of him.
     
    11-14-2011, 12:11 AM
  #20
Yearling
One important tip- Always tell yourself, "The ground isn't TOO far...It looks rather soft from this angle".

I'm not much help, I try to avoid giving training advice over the internet. I'll leave that to Kevin, Srombs, Faye and a few others.
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