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    11-14-2011, 12:12 AM
  #21
Trained
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Originally Posted by Northern    
Groundwork is always where one starts with a horse, lesson 1 for any student. Embellishments: You'll never get more respect in the saddle than you do on the ground, & it's safer on ground, for both horse & human, so start on ground.
There you go something that we should all be able to agree on whatever Kool Aid we are drinking

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Originally Posted by Northern    
before you swing a leg over, you ask permission of the horse to do so; it's politeness like that which will cause your horse to want to keep you in the saddle rather than dump you.
That's where we chose our own separate cups, I do not ask permission, I ask for acceptance, if I'm asking for my horse to carry me it's his job, not an optional extra. It makes as much sense as getting permission from your child to send it to school, it's not an option, they are just going.
     
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    11-14-2011, 02:16 AM
  #22
Started
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Originally Posted by lacyloo    
One important tip- Always tell yourself, "The ground isn't TOO far...It looks rather soft from this angle".

I'm not much help, I try to avoid giving training advice over the internet. I'll leave that to Kevin, Srombs, Faye and a few others.
Lacyloo is vewwy, vewwy, shmart! When my advice is always soundly bashed on here, I'm at this point ready to quit myself!

Poor OP, one last attempt at clarification for you: You can see that there are people who wouldn't dream of asking for permission to get on the horse, who want to be BOSS, & contrasted with that are the Parelli folks who do things like ask permission because they are interested in a PARTNERSHIP with the horse; the horse has 49% say-so, human has 51%.

Pat Parelli says: "Anyone can MAKE a horse do something; can you cause him to WANT to?"

Another way Pat says it: It's about the relationship between you & your horse, above all.

Good luck with your decision on that!
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    11-14-2011, 03:15 AM
  #23
Banned
Ignoring all of the games and natural horsemanship debate.... if you are nervous of your horse, you should ride other horses and gain your confidence back - there is no way you can deal with this issue while you are a bundle of nerves.

There are warning signs before a buck or cow hop, if you can recognize them, you can then do something about it.
As you said that your horse does this when you ask it to do something it doesn't want to, I would recommend round penning or lunging and driving the horse onto doing the things it dislikes, while you are riding something else to get your confidence back.
     
    11-14-2011, 03:15 AM
  #24
Weanling
Out of curiosity northern, how does a horse give you permission to mount? That's not the most natural gesture for a horse to make.
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    11-14-2011, 05:05 AM
  #25
Trained
OP, do you ever lunge your horse before riding? My mare tends to crowhop and/or buck when I don't lunge her before riding (since I only have time to ride once a week, if not less) because she's just got quite a bit of pent up energy.

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When my advice is always soundly bashed on here, I'm at this point ready to quit myself!
You know, you aren't required to be here. There are plenty of other internet forums you are free to join if you are unhappy here.
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    11-14-2011, 06:51 AM
  #26
Weanling
I hate to say this is advice... As I feel unqualified to give it. It is more like my personal perspective on your situation that may or may not help you. I have a horse that was previously owned by a lady who was really into parelli. He liked to crow hop, because as soon as he did it she would get scared and get off. He had beautiful lunging skills, and impeccable ground manners. In mt experience once a horse has been positively reinforced for bad behavior (example- end of lesson in response to crow hopping) no amount of groundwork will fix the problem. You just have to stick it out, pull the head up, and make him work harder if he wants to act a fool. I don't know much about parelli, And I think it is foolish to autimatically write of someone you disagree with. I know horses DO have different temperaments, the word horsinality makes me giggle though. I would have to know more about him to give an opinion on him. In defense of Northern I've got a horse who I believe truly lives to be ridden, and would rather be out running the hills with me, than grazing. My reason for this assumption is that when I borded on a 40 acre pasture, he would come running when he spotted my car. He wasent just accepting of the fact I wanted to ride. In all aperances he seemed excited to see me, excited to be tacked up, and excited the whole length of the ride. He often seemed reluctant to turn around on the trail when it was time to head back (except if it was nearing dinner time ha ha) I don't know how one would ask permission to mount, and I believe that is quite a bit sugarcoated. I don't believe that an unbroken horse would ever give that. I would say that it is more like trusting you as the leader, and understing that nothing they are going to do outside of your bidding will be tolerated, or get them out of work. After accepting this I think a horse can make a wonderful separate thinking "partner" if you will. A relationship where you are in charge, but you are willing to listen to his opinion (stopping for a rattlesnake in the road would be my example of this). My horse has gotten me out of a few pickles. I am happy that he has a mind of his own. That is why I love horses, and not dirtbikes :)
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    11-14-2011, 07:52 AM
  #27
Green Broke
Eventhough I don't agree with Parelli, I'm not going to bash Northern. That's her choice and opinion.

Christabelle - Are we twins? You said pretty much exactly what I was going to say. I have a similar horse that will crow hop if she doesn't get her way. Her previous owner quit on her when she acted up. She's been that way much of her 16 years. Now I have to undo that.

Our horses do the same as your horse, come and greet us at the gate. They almost fight to get out the gate to be rode. That's from the relationship that we've built with them, not just being a boss, leader, etc.

To the OP - When your horse crow hops, she is throwing a temper tantrum, as long as what you are asking her to do she already knows how. If you are teaching her something new, she does it from frustration. Either way, remain calm and relaxed. If you are tense, she can feel it and may make her feel confined form your legs tightening up on her sides. Pull one rein and make her circle. It's not easy for them to buck or crow hop with their head to the side and moving forward. Make her circle the other direction too. Get her to understand that her tantrums will turn into workouts. Get her stop and ask again what she threw her tantrum about. Be ready for her to explode at first when you make her work. If you are consistent with this, each of her tantrums will get less and less.

Think of it like a child throwing a tantrum at the store. The child that gets their way will keep throwing a tantrum whenever they don't get their way. Some parents give in so the child quits making a scene. The ones that discipline the child, nip it in the bud and the child quits.
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    11-14-2011, 08:31 AM
  #28
Yearling
I can't tell you not to be afraid, but you do have to push past your fear.
When I first got my gelding 16 yrs ago, he was a certified, bonafied crow hopper. Whenever I asked him to lope, he would take about 4 strides, then put his head down and start hopping. He would bounce me off Every time, lol.
So I would get up off the ground, catch his rein, and make myself get back on. I would just wait until my legs stopped shaking, then I would focus on Breathing. I wouldnt necessarily ask him to lope again right away, but we would certainly pick up a lot of trotting.
My advantage I think was that I at least had some knowledge of Why my horse was crow hopping. The horse was young and Very green, and his previous owner would literally just smack him on the ass to get him to race down the dirt (stone) roads. So I figured the horse equated running with over excitement and fear. I had to convince him that even though we may be moving fast, we still had to be mentally calm and relaxed.
So I would just talk to him calmly as we did our transitions from walk to trot to lope, kept up a steady flow of soothing words, and made sure I did not tense up my body or legs, even if my heart was starting to race.
And ya know what? The soothing tone of voice kept ME calm as well, and I was able to relay that to the horse.
So it would be helpful for you to find out why your horse is misbehaving. I think I was lucky, my horse is generally very good natured, and never had any barn/buddy sour issues which I think would be harder to fix.
If he is crowhopping just cause he is being a jerk and doesnt want to work, you are going to have to get tough with him.
     
    11-14-2011, 08:56 AM
  #29
Started
I think most of this problem is coming from your horse testing you and getting away with it the first time. Which is causing him to still do it because he nows he can get away with it. And now that you are scared, it is making things worse.
You have options whether you want to spend the time and money is up to you.
1. Get a trainer who will help both you and your horse
2. Try and overcome your fear and ride him
3. Get rid of horse and get one more suitable to your level of ability

Either way none of this will help if you don't get over the fear its the biggest thing holding you back. But as to solve the problem by yourself I have no idea.
     
    11-14-2011, 09:17 AM
  #30
Showing
Think about how you would treat a school ground bully. Eventually you would have to fight back or continue to be bullied. Your horse is bullying you and you either have to "fight back" or accept that one day this horse will really hurt you. My suggestion is that you use a riding crop or stout stick about 30" long and deliver a hard smack just behind your leg the next time she bucks. She may scoot forward in surprise so don't yank on the reins on you will confuse her. Carry the crop for the next dozen rides just so she knows what can happen. Do not just give a weak tap as it will be ineffective. Don't think she won't love you if you give her a smack because she doesn't love you anyway, but you will gain some respect.
     

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