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post #41 of 70 Old 11-14-2011, 10:10 PM
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My horse cow hops on a regular basis and I have no clue how to stop it... She does it mostly if I get her to do something she doesn't want to do. I am terrified of my horse and that makes her worse. She had been vetted and checked out and she's not hurting. I am just going to say this now, I WILL NOT SELL THIS HORSE. I have a specail kind of movie romantic horse and rider bond with her she is my best friend and I will not sell her. But any tips on how to stop cow hopping would be great. Thanks
Hi Shadow Puppet and welcome to the forum!

In relation to the crow hopping, I suspect that she crow hops because you are afraid and you are afraid because she crow hops. Don't feel bad, many horse/rider combos find themselves in this type of pickle from time to time.

So what to do?

In simple terms, keep her moving forward. There are many techniques for this and if you would like to hear 1000 different ways of causing a horse to move forwards, just ask as we'll all gladly comply

The real issue I believe is actually your fear, this is what will prevent you from progressing as a team. There's an old saying I really identify with: "Only two emotions belong in the saddle; one is patience and the other is a sense of humour."

Patience: Always, every day, no matter what.

Sense of humour comes in to play in EXACTLY your situation. When she crow hops, don't let it scare you or intimidate you in any way. If anything, have a little inward chuckle and keep moving. It helps release the tension without becoming fearful. I do it whenever a horse misbehaves, no matter how ugly their behaviour I will laugh and think "oh how funny, he just bucked 8 foot clear in the air....press on..."
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post #42 of 70 Old 11-15-2011, 12:03 PM
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Yes, Pat Parelli is nothing but a timid, middle-aged woman!
Nope, but he's a charlatan who preys upon newbies who don't know any better, and timid, middle-aged women whose horses have the upper hand and KEEP it because of this silly 'ask permission' garbage.

You want the truth? You can't HANDLE the truth!

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post #43 of 70 Old 11-15-2011, 04:42 PM
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Nope, but he's a charlatan who preys upon newbies who don't know any better, and timid, middle-aged women whose horses have the upper hand and KEEP it because of this silly 'ask permission' garbage.
I'd say that those who make the claims in this quote are abysmally unfair to Pat. He's a charlatan?

dictionary says: a person making usually showy pretenses to knowledge or ability: FRAUD, FAKER. Pat is not a horseman?

He preys upon? His whole teaching is about the human ceasing to be a predator, to either horse or human.

The age thing: program has plenty of kids, on up; there's no target group whatsoever, so your claim that he targets timid middle-aged women is bogus.

We've already discussed whether asking permission to mount is silly or just polite/relational; OP must experience what works best, between her & her horse.

OP, welcome to the horse world today: the virulent Parelli bashers, of whom there are scores, then the kool-aiders (those who willingly blind themselves to the fact that Pat & Linda, being mere mortals, have/can/may in future err/be wrong/mess up.), then those who retain their critical faculties, proceed with caution with their horses, & take from the program what's proved to work/benefit the horses, as far as their present experience shows. If you want, pm me & I'll give you the online name of someone on another board who is a sterling example of one who retains critical faculties yet uses Parelli as foundation program, to great success.

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It is indeed a wonderful world of horses, same as there is a wonderful world of people in general.

There are a lot of us, but which I mean people somewhat like myself, who try out lots of things, we are open minded and like to see what works and what doesn't.

There are those who belong to cult like factions of the horse world, somewhat like the religious fundamentalists of the world, who genuinely believe that that they are following the one true path to horsemanship, and will not hear one bad word against their particular Guru.

There are those who are against any sort of 'packaged horsemanship' program, the atheists of the horse world.

Good luck to you as you read your way through the varying ideas and concepts, I hope you find the right way for both you and your horse.

My personal recommendation, first, a person to work with in real life who you trust, my trainer has me doing things I never thought possible. Second, a large pair of Big Girls Panties, because sometimes you just have to pull them on and get on with it.
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A large pair of panties? Hey, they don't have to be old lady; even a Big Girl thong'd do! ;)
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OP, welcome to the horse world today: the virulent Parelli bashers, of whom there are scores, then the kool-aiders (those who willingly blind themselves to the fact that Pat & Linda, being mere mortals, have/can/may in future err/be wrong/mess up.), then those who retain their critical faculties, proceed with caution with their horses, & take from the program what's proved to work/benefit the horses, as far as their present experience shows. If you want, pm me & I'll give you the online name of someone on another board who is a sterling example of one who retains critical faculties yet uses Parelli as foundation program, to great success.
i full agree with that.

though i wish for you to prove that horses have a concept of consent/permission/authorization and politeness.

and if by relationship you mean friendship, whether or not horses actually have an understanding of friendship would also be worth proving. but if by relationship you mean the true definition, then it's absolutely impossible NOT to "put the relationship first" in every interaction you have with your horse.
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I have to say I agree with SR, GH, Christopher, etc.
If I asked any of the horses I've ridden permission to mount, I'd be told to shove it. As soon as I get on and let Lucky know we're working, she's more than willing. As soon as I got on and let Fancy know I wasn't a rider that would deal with her stupid bucking/crowhopping/headtossing stubbornness, she'd work beautifully and walk anywhere I pointed her. As soon as I got on Dude..well, I can't really use him as the "as soon as I got on" because it took multiple rides before he caught on that I'd take care of him as long as he listened, or I'd make him very uncomfortable.

I qbsolutely love working with Lucky because we do work as partners, but I'm still the boss. If I left a horse I wanted to ride (or train and sell to someone) alone until they "gave me permission", I'd have the horse still being left alone until the day they died.
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Sense of humour comes in to play in EXACTLY your situation. When she crow hops, don't let it scare you or intimidate you in any way. If anything, have a little inward chuckle and keep moving. It helps release the tension without becoming fearful. I do it whenever a horse misbehaves, no matter how ugly their behaviour I will laugh and think "oh how funny, he just bucked 8 foot clear in the air....press on..."
The only thing that prevents me from doing exactly this is that she crow? hops until I can't possibly stay on any longer. I mean I have a good seat but she does it so violently almost like a rodeo would...actually quite like that.....
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The only thing that prevents me from doing exactly this is that she crow? hops until I can't possibly stay on any longer. I mean I have a good seat but she does it so violently almost like a rodeo would...actually quite like that.....
Sure, and I didn't mean to make light of your situation in any way. In terms of stopping her from crow hopping once she has already started, heels down, sit deep in the saddle, shoulders back, head up, strong core and drive her forwards, keeping her head from dropping too low.

In relation to WHY she crow hops, well, it could be any number of reasons.

The last part was to help give you the confidence to ride out the crow hopping, which is 95% of the battle

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I forgot the important part (sorry for the double post)

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Sure, and I didn't mean to make light of your situation in any way. In terms of stopping her from crow hopping once she has already started, heels down, sit deep in the saddle, shoulders back, head up, strong core and drive her forwards, keeping her head from dropping too low.
Keep her straight and drive her forwards. Crow hopping is hard work so give her the option: Forwards and nicely or forwards and crowhopping. Her choice.

To be honest, if physical problems have been ruled out then I truly believe she is reacting to apprehension on your behalf, either because

a.) She senses your fear and in turn becomes fearful which manifests as her trying to ditch you in order to fend for herself, or,

b.) She senses your fear and is taking advantage of you.

Either way if you take control of the situation, be a strong rider and show her that you are NOT fearful, this issue will resolve itself.

Good luck.

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