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    04-15-2013, 06:29 PM
  #11
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I don't like for a horse to be aggressive towards the cow.. not cow sense. Its not up to the horse to 'scare' the cow away that's the riders job the horse is there as a tool to redirect the cow not be mean to it.
     
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    04-15-2013, 06:30 PM
  #12
Started
Its funny, so many people rely on bloodlines. I knew someone that had a colt out of a good ranch mare by a registered winning cutting stallion. I have never seen a horse so freaked out of cattle in my life. He had seen them before, been around pigs/minis/donkeys/lamas his whole life, but 6 months of training and he would still run away at the mere smell of a bovine.

My arab on the other hand, thinks chasing cows is one of lifes greatest joys. Where this came from, who knows. Maybe her ancestors chased camels in the dessert???
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    04-15-2013, 06:33 PM
  #13
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I also wanted to add-- there is a big difference between cattle aggression and cow sense. Those are not the same two things.

A good cowy horse will cut a cow with his ears forward or listening to the rider not pinned and not biting the cow. When I cut a cow and the horse is waiting on every move the cow makes then counter acts.. that's cow sence.
     
    04-15-2013, 07:19 PM
  #14
Green Broke
It depends on what you are doing as far as cow aggressiveness or expressiveness is concerned. In the cutting pen back in the early days judges liked to see an aggressive horse with his ears pinned. The trend now is an expressive horse with his ears up. Cutting trainers actually like a colt that starts out a little scared of the cattle, that makes for expressiveness and suck back. Don't need to be pulling him off when he leaks into the cow, or pounding on him with the cow side leg to keep him back.

And a horse that is scared of cattle at first doesn't have anything to do with whether he will have the natural ability to watch a cow and work it. That comes with confidence building. Same with one that may not show much interest, sometimes it takes some time and again, confidence. Working for trainers and starting these types of colts I usually turned back on them in the cutting pen after about 15-20 rides. Some would try to buck and run off, others lazy and uninterested and some aggressive. After time(some take longer than others) they all developed and shown what they would be best suited for.

Personally, I like the aggression. I think they make for snappy horses for heeling and awesome for going down the fence and circling in the cow horse, however it makes boxing a little of a challenge.
     
    04-15-2013, 07:32 PM
  #15
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
It depends on what you are doing as far as cow aggressiveness or expressiveness is concerned.

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Personally, I like the aggression. I think they make for snappy horses for heeling and awesome for going down the fence and circling in the cow horse, however it makes boxing a little of a challenge.
I don't mind if a horse is a bit afraid of cows, either. They are watching well and quickly learn that their movement controls the cow/cattle. Not a bad thing at all.

I also can work with a bit of aggression.
     
    04-15-2013, 07:39 PM
  #16
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I like for them to have real cow sense and watch the cow and react to the cows movement correctly. I can't stand a cattle aggressive horse alls it is compensating for its lack of reaction to the cow.. I have no use for it. --my opinion.

As for a rope horse-- I don't want them chasin my cow off. They need to be linin me up not runnin off a cow, lol.


There. Is a big difference in a horse that runs off snortin, and a horse that doesnt want to get horned. Ones smart the other is irrational, lol.
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    04-15-2013, 08:15 PM
  #17
Green Broke
Yes, there is a difference between running off scared and getting out of the way of hot, mad steer! LOL!

I agree you don't want them just chasing cattle but lining you out, that's where the training comes in. Same with one that wants to peel out. My hubby's favorite trick for those, flip his slack over to the opposite side of the neck, sit on his coils and let things come tight, in a hurry...LOL, they stay lined out after a couple of good jerks!
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    04-15-2013, 09:29 PM
  #18
Foal
My paint mare will chase a cow. But I sure wouldn't ride her to work them. She just chases them because she is a witch and she can.
     
    04-15-2013, 11:05 PM
  #19
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by toto    

There. Is a big difference in a horse that runs off snortin, and a horse that doesnt want to get horned. Ones smart the other is irrational, lol.
I had a grey gelding that darn near climbed out of the corral/arena the first few times I got him near cattle. I thought he might be a bit too spooky to ever make a decent horse.

His next several Sundays were spent standing outside the arena while others practiced roping. Hours of it. A bunch of us took turns riding his spooks and bringing him back to the fence, all while we acted like he hadn't done anything weird.

He became a pretty good ranch horse. And training him for doctoring was very easy.

He was lucky we had the time to work him through that. Otherwise, who the heck could have used him? We're in Wyoming, for pete's sake! I wouldn't have even been able to give him to a trail rider. "You bet. He rides real good. But if he sees a cow..."
     
    04-16-2013, 12:17 AM
  #20
Yearling
This colt is only a year old but I want to get him into something once of age. His bloodlines has a little bit of every western sport in it, so I'm not exactly relying in that to tell me if he would be a good cow horse. But with the way he watches the cows makes me curious as to maybe that is the direction we should go.
     

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