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        04-15-2012, 12:21 PM
      #31
    Foal
    I've seen you ride before (you're awesome), you're doing an amazing job with Oliver, looks like he's turning out to be a great horse :)
         
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        04-15-2012, 12:41 PM
      #32
    Weanling
    Hi Klassic Superstar, I thought it was great. It's weird but on here you have to be careful what you ask for, a lot of people just love to let you know how much they think your lacking. He looked gorgeous and the lighting was dark, I can only imagine how much more pretty he is in full sun.
         
        04-15-2012, 08:46 PM
      #33
    Green Broke
    I had milk with my Cherrios that morning. Was fresh out of piss so I had to make do.

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    He I a 5 6 year old Dutch TB cross and I have done a lot of work with him, he came to me with only 4 months under saddle at the most and two of those months was him getting away with green baby behavior. I jut was looking to see what you thaught of his movement an behavior.
    Age and background is helpful to provide. Thank you for now including that. And if he's really that green (4 months under saddle), I'm not sure who would call him "the horse from hell" as he is just a learning baby. The way you described him in your original post made it sound like he is an older horse that had been from owner to owner bucking them all off.

    You didn't mention anything about wanting info on his movement or behavior. You just said "What do you think and what you see that you like" which can be interpreted in any number of ways. So be specific next time.

    And now that you've asked, he does move very pretty and relaxed. Of course, being green, he just needs to continue to have guidance. Now that I've read through some of the responses, I would never have guessed this horse had a health issue. He looks very healthy.

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    I also very much disagree in the whole statement of he's not going to buck you off if you don't ask much. He is sensitive and sometimes pretty unpredictiable as a you green horse.
    But he will be more likely to act up if you ask him to do work that he doesn't want to do. I did not say it can't happen at any other time (because it most certainly can) but most behavior comes out when the horse is trying to "get out" of having to work. Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum. Or if they are in pain from something like the saddle, back problems, or teeth.

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    He was in training for 5 months and now I am moving him closer to home. I beilive it's our bond and understanding of each other that we work together and that he trust me
    Were you training him? Or someone else?

    And you've had him 7 months total, right?

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    I wasn't trying to scare him or make him go fast. I just wanted him to understand good go forward it's okay.
    And nowhere did I tell you that you should make him scared. But he should respect you and listen to you. There a big difference in having respect or having fear. Obviously, you want your horse to have respect for you.

    Just don't let him stop or slow down until YOU say so. If that means you feel him thinking about it and want to beat him to the punch, do it! Ask him to stop before he decides to. Or, push him through to keep him moving until you do want him to stop. Again, you do not need to scare him, or hurt him, or anything otherwise, but you've got to be the leader who makes the decisions.

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    Yes he is a horse but if your trying to tell me he is t my best frien and our relationship as rider and horse and owner and horse means he isn't going buck me off then I do t k ow what to tell you but that I think differently and you came on to my thread making me feel lesser and that my order wasn't doing anything good. This was a big moment for me and I can't let you take that away
    I think you need to take a deep breath and relax for a moment.

    I did not say you were not doing a good job. But I gave you some tips to improve. You can take it or leave it (seems that you are leaving it). That's your choice.

    I did not say you were bad rider. I gave you something to work on (heels, hips, ears) that everyone can always work on, including myself. You look like you ride bareback quite well, actually. And I never said otherwise.

    While I do believe you can develop a bond or relationship with a horse to some extent, I do NOT believe that a horse is going to think "Oh, she is my friend. I guess I will decide not to buck.". It's just not the way an animal mind thinks. They don't contemplate human emotions.

    Mostly, the point I was trying to make with my soapbox was to be careful. And not to be naive. I don't want you think that he is never going to do anything bad just because you two are best friends and there's no way he'd ever break your bond. I was stressing that he still is a 1000+ pound horse that can buck, or kick, or whatnot and having a perfect relationship is not going to prevent him from doing it. And since he has a reputation of doing it in the past, there's a good chance it will resurface at some point.




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    To the rather critical poster: when I first started riding horses bareback (yonks ago), I hardly cantered at all because I thought I would surely fall off. Nothing wrong with doing what you're comfortable with.
    She looked quite comfortable and balanced on him, and like a good bareback rider. So I didn't see any reason why she couldn't keep him in a gallop for training purposes of the horse.
         
        04-15-2012, 10:17 PM
      #34
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by thesilverspear    
    Sorry about the double post. Computer has a mind of its own!

    I clearly need to be its leader and teach it respect. ;)
    Lmbo
         
        04-16-2012, 08:00 AM
      #35
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by beau159    



    But he will be more likely to act up if you ask him to do work that he doesn't want to do. I did not say it can't happen at any other time (because it most certainly can) but most behavior comes out when the horse is trying to "get out" of having to work. Like a kid throwing a temper tantrum. Or if they are in pain from something like the saddle, back problems, or teeth.



    Were you training him? Or someone else?

    And you've had him 7 months total, right?



    And nowhere did I tell you that you should make him scared. But he should respect you and listen to you. There a big difference in having respect or having fear. Obviously, you want your horse to have respect for you.

    Just don't let him stop or slow down until YOU say so. If that means you feel him thinking about it and want to beat him to the punch, do it! Ask him to stop before he decides to. Or, push him through to keep him moving until you do want him to stop. Again, you do not need to scare him, or hurt him, or anything otherwise, but you've got to be the leader who makes the decisions.



    I think you need to take a deep breath and relax for a moment.

    I did not say you were not doing a good job. But I gave you some tips to improve. You can take it or leave it (seems that you are leaving it). That's your choice.

    I did not say you were bad rider. I gave you something to work on (heels, hips, ears) that everyone can always work on, including myself. You look like you ride bareback quite well, actually. And I never said otherwise.

    While I do believe you can develop a bond or relationship with a horse to some extent, I do NOT believe that a horse is going to think "Oh, she is my friend. I guess I will decide not to buck.". It's just not the way an animal mind thinks. They don't contemplate human emotions.

    Mostly, the point I was trying to make with my soapbox was to be careful. And not to be naive. I don't want you think that he is never going to do anything bad just because you two are best friends and there's no way he'd ever break your bond. I was stressing that he still is a 1000+ pound horse that can buck, or kick, or whatnot and having a perfect relationship is not going to prevent him from doing it. And since he has a reputation of doing it in the past, there's a good chance it will resurface at some point.
    I still don't see how you read all this into the video. All I saw was a girl trying out bareback for the first time, a relaxed and happy horse, and sure, the horse was a little bit behind the leg, which is fair enough if the rider is feeling uncertain and unstable.

    I also expect my horse to stop or slow down of her own accord when a rider badly loses their balance (or has none to start with), which she does. While she may be making that decision rather than the rider, it's stopped myself and others from hitting the deck more times than I can count so I'm not complaining. The interesting thing is I *never* deliberately trained her to do that. It's just something this particular horse does and has done with remarkable consistency for the twelve years I've owned her. While I certainly believe you need to be in charge when it comes to a horse-human relationship, all the stuff I read about "leadership" on horse forums sometime makes them read like a script from "The Office" about corporate staff training.

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    She looked quite comfortable and balanced on him, and like a good bareback rider. So I didn't see any reason why she couldn't keep him in a gallop for training purposes of the horse.
    Other than the fact that she's recovering from a nasty car accident and this was her first ride in four weeks.
         
        04-16-2012, 11:22 AM
      #36
    Foal
    I think you did just fine :) Simply maintaining your seat while bareback is challenging enough! I think you have a very cute horse who is trying to please you, and the fact that many of his problem behaviors have been eliminated by you says volumes about your patience and approach.
         
        04-16-2012, 11:51 AM
      #37
    Green Broke
    Thanks guys yes again I'm choosing to take only good out of this. I couldn't ride this weekend after working l day Saturday on my feet my back and hips where just to tight an I didn't want to be tense and ride as I know him well and I'd probably get a few spooks out of him and can't risk twisting my lower back anymore if I can.

    I find it interesting that even free I said I was only taking the good out of what everyone one else wa saying and the facts are I'm just getting back in the saddle after finding out I have a back nd head injury...this was our frat time bareback together and that he is so young and it night time, iv only idem a couple times with him in the dark.

    I understand you are trying to help but as stated before your methods of pointing out other negative things is not helpful but thanks for trying
    Thanks everyone
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        04-16-2012, 06:11 PM
      #38
    Showing
    Klassic, there were only good things about this ride.. nothing bad. People are just being ridiculous.

    Well done with him :) I only hope you both continue to feel better!
         
        04-17-2012, 09:47 PM
      #39
    Trained
    You looked ok for someone who hasnt ridden bareback, but if he's as green and sensative as you say, do you really think its a good idea to ride him bareback when you've just been hurt ? Is that really fair to him or you ?
         
        04-17-2012, 10:28 PM
      #40
    Green Broke
    I trust him, and I have sat on him before and it was in a controlled inviorment if I at all felt he wasn't ready I would have gotten off
         

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