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post #101 of 117 Old 05-19-2010, 01:39 PM
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Also - aren't your reins joined? Every eventer I know has regular english reins. Rather tough to lash your horse with joined reins . . .
Yes, English reins are buckled on the ends. They're generally not long enough to smack the horse with, the way you can with Western split reins.
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post #102 of 117 Old 05-19-2010, 01:39 PM
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Also - aren't your reins joined? Every eventer I know has regular english reins. Rather tough to lash your horse with joined reins . . .

I too was wondering how to effectively use the bight of your buckled reins in lieu of a crop! And why new information just keeps popping up. But whatever. I think i'm through posting about this!
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It is very easy to smack a horse wiht joined reins as you can get all different rein lenghts. You can shoulder smack easily with them no bother, I believe wild_spot mentioned she did the same on her eventer. You just flip them over the neck simply.

I reminded her there that she doesnt like them but we had an in dept discsussion before training began so she knew the reactions and the work of my previous instructer.


Why would I pay someone then attempt to make them llok bad? Who would I be making her look bad to.....Nobody knows where im from or who my insructer is.

Im not quite sure where I have been using text speak and if I have its because im doing several things at once so im typing quickly.



Why would I type a made up story and look for opinions on it....If I was 13 year old child yea whatever but im not im an adult if I honestly had that much time on my hands life would be great. I forgot to mention like two things its a simple mistake like if you rather I would retype the entire thing from beginining to end to verify I will.

Also tjis has been sorted wiht my instructer as I stated earlier im not quite sure what the final back lash is about.

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It is very easy to smack a horse wiht joined reins as you can get all different rein lenghts. You can shoulder smack easily with them no bother.
Oh, I guess that is where it got confusing.

Smacking on the shoulder does not say go forward in my world.

I thought you were using the reins as a driving aid when needed and I assume you know that with all your experience that hitting on the shoulder is not an affective driving aid.
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For a sensitive horse any kind of smack says go foreward. If she backs off I just raise my voice works fine for me and she understands

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I'll tell y'all what the point of this is; this child thinks she knows more than anyone else.

Youth is curable though, and about the time someone turns 25-30, they've usually had enough knock downs and immersion in real life to realize they're not the fountain of all wisdom, and just maybe someone else has something to teach them.

Until then though, of course she knows all there is to know about riding and training.

If I were the instructor, I'd tell her parents I wouldn't be back. She's not worth dealing with, with her know-it-all, entitled attitude.

I blame her parents. Sounds like they've forgotten to tell Sweetums that she's not the center of the universe.
Absolutely agree!! If I was the instructor I would drop the OP the second time she tried to argue about it.

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post #107 of 117 Old 05-19-2010, 02:12 PM
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It is very easy to smack a horse wiht joined reins as you can get all different rein lenghts. You can shoulder smack easily with them no bother, I believe wild_spot mentioned she did the same on her eventer. You just flip them over the neck simply.
Sorry - still can't buy it. If you are holding your reins correctly - it would be a lot of fussing to gather them and smack your horse when it decides to refuse a jump at fulll gallop.

For a horse to go forward, you typically touch them behind your leg. They go forward from the pressure. A smack on the shoulder would likely send them sideways.

My jumping instructor told me to never hit my horse in front of the girth for that very reason.
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It is very easy to smack a horse wiht joined reins as you can get all different rein lenghts. You can shoulder smack easily with them no bother, I believe wild_spot mentioned she did the same on her eventer. You just flip them over the neck simply.
I actually ride in long, plaited rope split reins, for many reasons, one of the last being that they can be used in lieu of a crop.

My eventer was never hit in any way when being ridden, as I described, I think he would have reacted very badly.

However it is quite easy to over under with buckled reins - if you have the coordination to carry a crop and somehow use it behind the leg without altering your position, then you have enough coordination to use your reins on the shoulder.

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All trainers have different ideas about how to get to the promised land---gaining absolute control of the horses feet.

Crops, or spurs, are tools that when used correctly come in handy. My best cow horse looks at my feet every--and I mean every--time I get on to see if I am wearing spurs. If I am--I never have to use them. If I am not, well that's a horse of a different color.

Here's the real question--the first prerequisite to working with any trainer is that you are paying real money to learn from them. If you don't think they can teach you anything then put your money back in your wallet.
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I'm a little confused about alwaysbehind's arguments. I have short sporting reins and even I can get a decent flick on the shoulder if need be. Never usually is, but I can.
You also say that flicking the horse on the shoulder with the reins does not tell the horse, but you agree with other posters who say that using a crop on the shoulder is effective. I don't understand this.

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