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post #111 of 117 Old 05-19-2010, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by mls View Post
Sorry - still can't buy it. If you are holding your reins correctly - it would be a lot of fussing to gather them and smack your horse when it decides to refuse a jump at fulll gallop.
I don't understand this. How hard is it to grab both reins and one hand and swat?

And yes, I've ridden a horse at a gallop. The over under WS described is easy enough to do at any gait, with both types of reins. Although split reins would be more of a pop, its just a reinforcement.
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post #112 of 117 Old 05-19-2010, 09:20 PM
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But again, popping the shoulder can really be bad in this situation. A refusal where you would want to give them a smack with the crop will happen in the last three strides before a fence. So smacking with the reins takes to much time. AND you're really telling the horse to move their shoulder over when you hit them there. A smack behind the leg or on the haunch is more of a 'forward' smack. My trainer doesn't tollerate hitting the shoulders. It really does nothing
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post #113 of 117 Old 05-19-2010, 09:37 PM
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hitting on the shoulder really depends on the horse. some horses it can give them the extra get it done & some not. just my experience bc with some horses i will use it on their shoulder.

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When used correctly in a cross country situation, a crop is supposed to reinforce your leg aids and therefore should be used BEHIND the saddle. Taps on the shoulder may get the horses attention but will do nothing to help your leg aids (from what I have been taught, feel free to tell me otherwise). In addition, it is not adviseable to apply a crop on the shoulder as this will interfere with your rein contact, bad idea. It is easier to do with split reins whilst not interfering with the bit, they are designed for this type of maneuver.

Does reaching behind the saddle with a crop to give a smack interefere with your balance? Some. With practice it shouldn't affect your balance at all. The point is that a sharp tap on the butt will interefere with your balance much less than your horse refusing two strides out from a downhill approach to a water jump when you will most likely fall. There will be a major interference with your balanced seat when you end up in the drink.

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All the OP said in the original post is that the instructor wanted her to CARRY the crop. She never said to use it but just carry it. The OP for some reason felt a moral obligation to argue about it with someone that knows enough more than her that the OP is willing to pay for instruction from her. The point to me is not rather the OP can effectively jump her horse without a crop but that she is incapable of taking that little bit of instruction. I suspect that the instructor thinks that she is not being effective without the whip and is trying to see if the horse is the one with the phobia or the rider. From the sounds of it I would bet the horse has less problem with the crop than the rider does.

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post #116 of 117 Old 05-20-2010, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by darkwillow View Post
I'm a little confused about alwaysbehind's arguments. I have short sporting reins and even I can get a decent flick on the shoulder if need be. Never usually is, but I can.
You also say that flicking the horse on the shoulder with the reins does not tell the horse, but you agree with other posters who say that using a crop on the shoulder is effective. I don't understand this.
Can you point out where I ever said it was OK to hit a horse on the shoulder with a crop?

In some horse disciplines you will be disqualified if you hit your horse on the shoulder with your crop.

I said a driving aid is not given on the shoulder.

A crop is used to back up your leg. Your leg is not used on the shoulder.
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it's been requested that the thread be closed and it truly has run it's course.

Just to clear up the last post, as for AlwaysBehind's comment about hitting a horse on the shoulder, I've been following this thread and I don't recall her saying that. I'm sure it was a misunderstanding.

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