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        05-18-2010, 11:44 AM
      #11
    Showing
    If you don't want to listen to this instructor, then find another one. That's really the only option you have.

    When you're taking lessons from someone you're supposed to be following their instructions, not arguing with them. If you think you know better than this person, why are you wasting their time and your parents' money?
         
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        05-18-2010, 11:46 AM
      #12
    Green Broke
    You are using an instructor to get instruction - which is no use if you aren't going to listen to that instruction. As SpeedRacer said, if you aren't going to listen, get a new instructor. You are really making a much bigger production of this whole thing than it needs to be.
         
        05-18-2010, 12:00 PM
      #13
    Weanling
    What exactly is the point of this? I don't need to use a crop on any of my horses, but when my last instructor asked me to carry one, I had much better things to do than argue with her. There is no harm in carrying a crop so why fuss over it? My dad had a saying when I was growing up that haunts me to this day, "in another 10 years, you will forget all about it, so why bother worrying about it now". Carry the crop, get over yourself, and enjoy the ride! It is not hurting anyone, so when you are riding under someone else, you follow their rules.
         
        05-18-2010, 12:04 PM
      #14
    Yearling
    She is the only instructer available. We have worked together 3times a week now for about a month and get on very well iv never had issues before wiht anything.

    But if somebody tells me to use something on my horse for no reason I don't see why I should. That's like saying put on spurs they don't come inot effect unless you want them. But if there available to you chances are you will use them if you have the first signs of an argument whereas with this particular horse I would rather work through whats could be causing the issues then just forcing her to get on with it.

    How many times have you seen a horse refuse blatently because of a rider at a competition and get smacked over the jump. In a stressful situation id rather not have something there on the off chance you could misuse it.

    If im paying someone to help me improve my riding and they onnly know my horse a short lenght of time they should also listen to me as well as I know the most about the horse. Unless she can give me a valid reson why I need to carry a crop I honestly just don't see why I should. Her reasoning was that you can't go cross country with out one. That is not reason enough of course you can go with out one I have often enough my horses know there own cross country course in fairness if iv trouble getting around my own course iv no reason to bring her anywhere.
         
        05-18-2010, 12:07 PM
      #15
    Showing
    I'll tell y'all what the point of this is; this child thinks she knows more than anyone else.

    Youth is curable though, and about the time someone turns 25-30, they've usually had enough knock downs and immersion in real life to realize they're not the fountain of all wisdom, and just maybe someone else has something to teach them.

    Until then though, of course she knows all there is to know about riding and training.

    If I were the instructor, I'd tell her parents I wouldn't be back. She's not worth dealing with, with her know-it-all, entitled attitude.

    I blame her parents. Sounds like they've forgotten to tell Sweetums that she's not the center of the universe.
         
        05-18-2010, 12:08 PM
      #16
    Yearling
    Sorry flitterbug we posted the same time. Its more of a rant really. I don't expect things to be forced onto me when I don't want to use them is the point.
    Im not arguing with her I questioned her decisions not all horses need encouragement sure having it there is great in a scenario where there is not a chance to school them over the problem fence.

    But if I had problems I could schoool her all day over the fence seeing as its in my house. Like id have one if I was away from home all the time in the trailer in case she was in a mood but at home I don't see the need.
         
        05-18-2010, 12:15 PM
      #17
    Green Broke
    I agree with everyone else. I can jump my horse fine no crop no spurs, but I take them out with me every time because I never know how he'll react to things. One day he's totally fine with something, the next he spooks at it. It's just how horses are. A prime example. My horse has seen this one water jump before but at our last comp. He did NOT want to go in there! So it was nice having my spurs to go, HEY! And the jump isn't always going to look the same to the horse. You don't go into battle without a gun. But of course you know much better than a person being paid to teach you.
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        05-18-2010, 12:16 PM
      #18
    Showing
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    Originally Posted by MaggiStar    
    She is the only instructer available. We have worked together 3times a week now for about a month and get on very well iv never had issues before wiht anything.

    But if somebody tells me to use something on my horse for no reason I don't see why I should.

    If im paying someone to help me improve my riding and they onnly know my horse a short lenght of time they should also listen to me as well as I know the most about the horse. Unless she can give me a valid reson why I need to carry a crop I honestly just don't see why I should.
    Wow! I read through the whole discussion and I'm sorry but it sounds very very childish. She didn't tell you to USE it on your horse, she told to CARRY one with you just in case, at least how it sounds from your original post. And if you are saying she's a good instructor and everything went so nice then WHY TO SCREW THE RELATIONS with her just because you are being stubborn? A really good instructor (and we have LOTS of different around here) is very hard to find, and sometime it's even harder to find one you get along with well. They are people too and may just turn you down at some point if you don't want to follow what they say, don't respect what they teach, and they have enough customers (and that would be right way to go IMHO).

    There is nothing wrong with carrying crop with you, as already mentioned top riders here with very well trained -sensitive- horses keep one just in case. NOONE can force you to use it if it's not needed.
         
        05-18-2010, 12:16 PM
      #19
    Green Broke
    It isn't for you to "see the point" (or need) - it is for you to follow the instructions being given to you.
         
        05-18-2010, 12:17 PM
      #20
    Green Broke
    Keep up the attitude you are displaying (and display it to the instructor) and you won't have to worry about it, she may decide to drop you rather than you having to decide whether or not to drop her.
         

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