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post #11 of 25 Old 03-27-2012, 02:04 PM
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Cowboy, spurs are too easy to misuse and often result in more damage than good. A harmless tap with a crop is always better.
Spurs tell them what to do just like leg pressure but a little more. Crop is something that isnt normal to them. Unless you use your reins as a whip.
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post #12 of 25 Old 03-27-2012, 02:09 PM
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before attempting to use a whip or crop in the herd bound situation i would make sure your horse is trained to properly respond to a tap behind the leg, if your horse doesnt get that it means move off my leg it may not make a difference. it took my horse a long time to learn what the whip meant and initially she was very afraid of a little tap! now she understands that it means do what my leg is saying and its actually useful to use ;)

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This is where IMO Clinton Anderson's method excels bc the horse both pays attention to YOU on the ground and starts to think and figure things out. I would check out his site and "lunge for respect" to get your horse relying on YOU as the herd leader. Right now he doesn't want to depend on you.
EVERYBODY has periods of time when they really work their horses and times when they don't. I will have owned horses 27 years this June. I don't get to spend the time I would like training even though they are in the back yard. I even feed low protein grain every evening bc I want my herd of 3 to look for me every evening for the 1/2 a year that they in in 24/7 turnout. I also am consistant in HOW I turn my horses out of the stalls, how I catch them in pasture and how I expect them to lead respectfully EVERY TIME I LEAD THEM.
Maybe this will help. I am gardening full time and training part time, soon to be full time. For my multiple garden beds I starting mapping out my jobs, my crops, etc. bc I cannot keep it all in my head.
Same is true with my horses. Since you own ONE horse, get that ring binder out and start a journal. Make a list of what you horse does RIGHT, a make a list of where you horse needs improvement. Be BRUTAL about your horse's problems. He will get worse bc disobedience under saddle that didn't exist before will usher in more disobedience and your horse will turn rogue on you, possibly bucking you off. I know. Even the SB that had some problems when I bought him took 3 months before he began to unseat me. I didn't have time to retrain him and I thought he had more miles on him at 13yo than he did. (I took one week to sell him after this.)
Break your problems down into small steps to solve them. Give yourself lots of time. Have a "pitty-party" (if you wish) about no riding time bc you will be weeding out a problem and making a permanent solution in your horse. Start with lunging for respect and give it a good WEEK before you move past this.
Also, DEMAND that he lead correctly, and stand for grooming--no pawing. At my place I'd tie this horse up all afternoon and just work in the yard. In your situation, it might be a good time to tie him up, sit about 12 feet away and read, The Hunger Games all afternoon. This post will be one page or more if I put in ALL of my suggestions, so PM me if you want more.
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Spurs tell them what to do just like leg pressure but a little more. Crop is something that isnt normal to them. Unless you use your reins as a whip.
Spurs are used to "lighten" the cues. Not to jab or punish the horse that doesn't listen. And if the person never used the spurs and/or doesn't have a very stable leg spurs would be the worst choice.
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Spurs are used to "lighten" the cues. Not to jab or punish the horse that doesn't listen. And if the person never used the spurs and/or doesn't have a very stable leg spurs would be the worst choice.
"jab" "Punish" ????? All you need to do is apply alittle more pressure or roll your spur up a little and a horse that knows leg pressure should respond. Spurs are not for kicking they are for pressure or rolling.
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You just have to remember not to EVER use a crop or whip as a punishment. ALWAYS make sure you have your emotions under control at all times. Use the whip to engaged the hind end. Nothing more, nothing less.

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All you need to do is apply alittle more pressure or roll your spur up a little and a horse that knows leg pressure should respond.
On well-trained horse with the rider who knows how to use the spurs I see no problem using the spurs. However if the rider never used them or putting them on just to discipline a horse is not a way to go.

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On well-trained horse with the rider who knows how to use the spurs I see no problem using the spurs. However if the rider never used them or putting them on just to discipline a horse is not a way to go.
How is that different then using a crop. I have seen many miss use crops.
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How is that different then using a crop. I have seen many miss use crops.
It's very VERY had to use crop unintentionally. Heck, I can't even imagine how you'd do that. However when your leg is not stable enough (and moves all over the place) on trot/canter/turn/transition it's very easy to jab a horse unintentionally. Or apply too much of spur when you want to do it (and don't know how).
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