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        12-14-2008, 12:41 AM
      #11
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    OK Spydie... not sure why you refuse to give the scoop on what is happening... but let me turn this into classroom style and ask then....

    First - not sure how experienced mom is... is she a skilled rider or a mom that's been around long enough to know how to do the basic stuff?

    Second, he's not collected on the longe and he's in a strung out trot when asked to canter and because he's strung out, he's off balanced and picking up the cross canter... Is that a good thought?
         
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        12-14-2008, 01:02 AM
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    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    Second, he's not collected on the longe and he's in a strung out trot when asked to canter and because he's strung out, he's off balanced and picking up the cross canter... Is that a good thought?
    Exactly my thoughts and side reins with the outside rein shorter would help, but anabel said it is not an equipment thing so that is why I didn't bother to say more.
         
        12-14-2008, 06:34 AM
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    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    OK Spydie... not sure why you refuse to give the scoop on what is happening... but let me turn this into classroom style and ask then....

    First - not sure how experienced mom is... is she a skilled rider or a mom that's been around long enough to know how to do the basic stuff?

    Second, he's not collected on the longe and he's in a strung out trot when asked to canter and because he's strung out, he's off balanced and picking up the cross canter... Is that a good thought?
    just what I was thinking. I find that if one of my horses picks up a faster trot going into a canter he/she may well be off balanced or even pick up the wrong lead to start with. If I ask for a canter and they speed the trot up I will ALWAYS ask for a slower more collected trot before asking again. Then usually the right lead is picked up. A horse finds it much harder to pick up a canter much less the right lead if they are in a fast, uncontrolled trot.

    Before I got any further cross canter is another term for counter canter isnt it???

    Anyways, getting the right lead on the lunge, and in the saddle can be all about timing. Just like asking for a canter in a corner when riding can help a horse pick up the right lead who is otherwise having problems doing so.

    So in short, I would suggest a) making sure your horse is in a calm, collected trot before asking for the canter and/or b) bringing him back from the canter if he picks up the wrong lead and asking again and again until he picks up the right lead. He will soon learn that if he picks up the right lead life will be much easier than having to canter back to trot a hundred times until he gets it right. As spyder said asking at the exact right moment is often essential in getting the right lead. My medium level dressage mare will ALWAYS pick up the right lead but my wb and my younger ottb have trouble picking it up. Patience and persistance pay off though
         
        12-14-2008, 08:40 AM
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    Originally Posted by jazzyrider    
    before I got any further cross canter is another term for counter canter isnt it???
    A cross canter is actually a disunited canter. They will be on the correct lead with the front end but on the wrong lead on the hind end.

    You would consider this type of canter to be a worse fault than just a wrong lead and is always a balance issue.
         
        12-14-2008, 05:25 PM
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    Ah a disunited canter...got it :)
         
        12-14-2008, 05:46 PM
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    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    OK Spydie... not sure why you refuse to give the scoop on what is happening... but let me turn this into classroom style and ask then....

    First - not sure how experienced mom is... is she a skilled rider or a mom that's been around long enough to know how to do the basic stuff?

    Second, he's not collected on the longe and he's in a strung out trot when asked to canter and because he's strung out, he's off balanced and picking up the cross canter... Is that a good thought?
    Mom would like to think she's the end all be all of horse training :P She barely canters under saddle and has very little experience lunging. But, Rowan lunges quite well (completely voice aided, usually) and when I'm lunging him I usually have him in equipment so I can actually use the side reins to save my butt :P Mom doesn't know the first thing about using them, or contact in general so they'd probably be too loose to do anything if she used them. It's getting better though with bringing him back to trot and cantering again.
    He won't be getting lunged in a good while though because I'm going to train over the holidays and should be riding a lot more.
    I'm going to bring lunging stuff and maybe work on it a little while I'm at my coaches place, and then for sure after I'm going to be lunging about once a week or two. I might try a switch up of lunging stuff too and play around with attaching my lunge line..
    Thanks everyone
         

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