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        03-07-2013, 10:17 PM
      #371
    Showing
    Delete, I've just sat down and read this entire thread.

    Holy wow .

    All I can say about all those naysayers who were jumping all over you is that I'd bet not a single one of them has ever dealt with a horse that did anything more aggressive than maybe trying to bite or kick occasionally. Because they've never dealt with a truly dangerous, aggressive horse, they don't know how to deal with one.

    I, for one, am glad that you are getting this opportunity now. You'll likely learn more from this 1 colt than you would from 100 easy ones.

    I applaud your courage to stick with him and I am so proud of the progress you've made . I have to agree with Boots, that is one hell of a lucky horse to have ended up with you.
         
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        03-09-2013, 09:20 AM
      #372
    Green Broke
    UPDATE

    I made the decision to put spurs on him. Before some of you jump on me, hear me out. I know that this could have been a very very bad idea, I know the decision was rushed and I could have spent more time getting him moving forward willingly. I felt like he was mentally ready to be pushed like that. It was only baby nubs I had on nothing dramatic. I first got on I bent him around in a walking circle and I would go to my calf then to my spurs gently asking him to go forward. He never gave me any trouble with the spurs, not once.

    He rode like he has had spurs on before, he marched around much more consistently and his lope offs were much quicker. We struggled with the right lead alot, I know why he keeps missing it and we need to work on more guide to fix it. He drags his left shoulder hard, I will have him set up for the right lead then soon as he feels like he is about to pick it up he drops his shoulder and misses it.

    This will be my last update on this thread. I feel I have proved myself enough to the nay-sayers that said it couldn't be done. If you would like to continue getting updates on his progress please PM me.

    This horse has taught me so much in the past 2 weeks. I feel extremely happy not just for my own personal accomplishment but for the horse. I truly feel as if I save this horse's life. He was headed down a path that would only end in a slaughter yard or euthanasia. Some might say that I broke his spirit. In all honesty that kind of "spirit" needs be broken for his sake and everyone else's. He now stands quiet in his stall which to me is a huge accomplishment. Before he would kick at the walls, bite at the tie, swish his tail, paw, etc. Him standing quiet tells me that I have gotten into his head, which was my goal. He is understanding that life is so much easier when you're not constantly fighting.

    There isn't one once of nasty-ness in his eyes. This is not to say that I will have problems down the road when I start asking more. Its a very good possibility! But when he does give me problems it will be much less dramatic and a whole lot safer. I see a big future for this horse. He now has potential to do something great and to live a long happy life.

    To all the people who have supported me, and offered me guidance throughout this process. Thank you. I really appreciate everything you guys have done and how willing you all were to go out of your way to help me. I couldn't have picked a better forum to post this on. You guys are the best.

    To all you nay-sayers out there who criticized me, my school, and the method I chose. Thank you for your advice and the time you have put into this thread. As you can see I did not get hurt and the horse has progressed. I mean this next statement in the nicest way possible. I proved you wrong.

    Thanks again everyone.
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        03-11-2013, 12:00 PM
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        01-27-2014, 10:05 PM
      #374
    Green Broke
    I am reminiscing about my "training" days. Now that I am 100% out of horses reading this has brought me to tears. I miss this greatly. The chance to turn around a horse's life and give them a chance to become something.

    Mods, I think there is alot of great advice and information in this thread. Perhaps this should be considered for becoming sticky? It's a great read and look into different methods of training. Food for thought.
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        01-27-2014, 10:16 PM
      #375
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    100% out of horses?! Tell me it isn't so.
         
        01-27-2014, 10:24 PM
      #376
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by tinyliny    
    100% out of horses?! Tell me it isn't so.
    I'm with tiny! What's the story, delete?
         
        01-27-2014, 10:58 PM
      #377
    Green Broke
    It's a very long story. Basically, I lost my mother in the summer of 12. This gave me a whole new outlook on things. I am paying for college myself and I realized I cannot pay off my loans on a trainers salary. Plus I was constantly around nasty people with even nastier horses. I needed a break.

    I've only rode once since April and I am completely ok with it. I will get back into it one day but on my own terms. I will break babies and help people (who actually want help) with their problem horses. But that's years down the road. I am now work in the auto industry and I'm really good at it. I am full time in college getting a bachelors in Marketing.

    I will graduate with an associates in Western Training, Equine Business Management, and a Bachelors in Marketing.

    We did ALOT of trail towards the end. Going forward was one of his favorite things to do. He no longer pinned his ears, kicked out, swished his tail, etc. He was a completely different horse. I didn't even have to lunge him before riding at the end. Also a bragging point, he clips without a twitch . It was bitter sweet seeing him off.

    I appreciate everyone's input on this thread. Even the nay-sayers. Everyone is entitled to their own way of doing things. There is a plethora of information on this thread. I think it would do well to be sticky. So people who are dealing with similar situations know what they are getting in to. This is an extreme case of a baby who was so dangerous he would have ended up getting put down if something drastic wasn't done.

    Anyways. I think it's time enough to take off the "internet" mask and show everyone the "dangerous" baby. This was taken right before we went into the sale pen, the last time I rode him. He was sold for a good chunk of change to a family who planned on doing local shows with him.

         
        01-28-2014, 08:34 AM
      #378
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    I am sorry to hear that yo lost your mother so young. I can relate. I lost my mother when I was in my late teens and lost my Dad a few years later. I gave up on becoming a Veterinarian and just kept training full time.

    You should be very proud of how you turned around that spoiled idiot you started out with. You turned him into a really nice pleasure horse. If almost anyone else had inherited him, he would have ended up being put down or sent to Canada. You OWN his success.

    You have done more to prove what I have been saying 1000 times over. You can teach a green horse to do anything that he has the ability to do if you are smart enough and good enough to teach him to do it. You HAVE TO MAKE the really mean and aggressive spoiled ones WANT to learn and WANT to get along. You showed everyone that it was possible.

    You did a super good job with a really tough one to learn on. It shows me that you have a lot of natural talent and ability. The really good trainers have that 'gift'. It is no different than the gifted artists or musicians. It is a God given gift. At some time you will come back and use that gift. Most people can not turn their backs on that kind of gift forever.

    I wish you all of the best in whatever you do.

    Cherie
         
        01-28-2014, 10:01 AM
      #379
    Foal
    I rescued my horse about two years ago and what you describe brings back old memories lol. He was a very naughty boy when I first got him. With him I simply didn't let him get away with that crap. This is what we did. I took him to the biggest feild I could find in tennessee and tied up his reins so they would fall and I grabbed some mane. Now its important that you don't pull on the reins at all if he rears or you could end up with the horse on top of you. Next you just going to kick the ever living out of him. Don't quit asking if he rears in fact kick him harder and he'll learn he can't get away from it. Adventually he's going to take off so be prepared for it. When he does you let him run as fast as his legs want to go and you just hold the hell. Let him have fun with it too. After a while he'll start to anticipate it and will do it with lighter and lighter leg pressure. Now after he will do it with lighter leg pressure this is where you'll start using the reins and you seat, mostly your seat though, to control the speed. Slow his run down to canter. And just move on from there. You have to remember he is only 2 and was just broke so he doesn't know what the hell you're asking him to do. All he knows is she's kicking me and I don't like it so when you kick him he's trying to escape the pressure by rearing. Really that's all riding ever is when you break it down to the basics. So its your job to show him that moving forward is his only way of escaping it. Pretend he was never broke to ride and you have to break it down barney style for him until he gets it. Remember small steps and you'll do fine. He might not ever be a sweet loving horse but he'll have respect and he'll sure as hell move when you tell him to
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        01-28-2014, 10:04 AM
      #380
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by Cherie    
    I am sorry to hear that yo lost your mother so young. I can relate. I lost my mother when I was in my late teens and lost my Dad a few years later. I gave up on becoming a Veterinarian and just kept training full time.

    You should be very proud of how you turned around that spoiled idiot you started out with. You turned him into a really nice pleasure horse. If almost anyone else had inherited him, he would have ended up being put down or sent to Canada. You OWN his success.

    You have done more to prove what I have been saying 1000 times over. You can teach a green horse to do anything that he has the ability to do if you are smart enough and good enough to teach him to do it. You HAVE TO MAKE the really mean and aggressive spoiled ones WANT to learn and WANT to get along. You showed everyone that it was possible.

    You did a super good job with a really tough one to learn on. It shows me that you have a lot of natural talent and ability. The really good trainers have that 'gift'. It is no different than the gifted artists or musicians. It is a God given gift. At some time you will come back and use that gift. Most people can not turn their backs on that kind of gift forever.

    I wish you all of the best in whatever you do.

    Cherie
    Thank you so much Cherie. That means alot, especially coming from you.

    One day I will get back into it. I really want to help people with problem horses. I feel babies and naughty horses is where I shine the most.

    I will still be on here giving advice when I can. This is now the only place I can get my horsey fix and lord knows I need it
         

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