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    08-13-2008, 07:36 PM

My friend has a horse that is an ex-barrel racer. She has scars from mis-used spurs.

One day, Sue* went out to try to ride Cutie*. She tied her up to the gate, and brushed her, and fed her carrots. Then, Sue went up to Cutie to put in the bit. Cutie threw her head up and reared, knocking Sue to the ground. She began to panick, and pulled hardest, and snapped the gate clean off. Then, she charged at laying-in-the-dirt-Sue, breking her poor helpless Sue's foot.

*names changed for the benefit of the reader :P

So what did 'Sue' do wrong? She has hired a trainer since then, and is hoping the horse can be turned around. Thoughts? Feelings? By the way, 'Sue' is more of an aquaintence, one of which whose thought are very arrogant and stupid :/
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    08-13-2008, 07:53 PM
Green Broke
Is Sue the one that abused the horse with the spurs?
    08-13-2008, 08:39 PM
IMHO, a horse like that needs professional help. It's not so much that she paniced and broke the gate but, according to your post, she attacked your friend - that is the dangerous part.

A horse that panics can be worked with. A horse that panics and will turn on it's handler needs a professional.
    08-13-2008, 08:42 PM
Well, first off, I would never tie a horse to a gate, for reasons I think are quite clear! Did sue know this horse very well? Or did just start working with him recently? When I'm working with a horse I don't know well, I alwlays untie him to put on the bridle as bridling can make some horses pull back and panick. I don't think Sue did anything to deserve what happened but certainly it pays to be careful around horses who have been abused.
    08-13-2008, 10:59 PM
Sue isnt the one who abused the horse. She felt compelled to 'help' the horse, because her parents wanted to sell her, but she 'loves' the horse too much to part with it. Anyways, like I said the horse is dangerous, she knew that. She was very arrogant/stupid to think that she could train the horse. Funny, I think it was the day before I was trying to explain the difference between the fetlock and forelock :/

This is probobly more a vent then anything

It just irritates me the way she acts. She think she knows everything about horses :roll:
    08-14-2008, 07:54 AM
She MUST bond the trust and good relationship with the horse before trying bits, saddles and all. It's not true for ANY horse, but for sure for abused horses. They are different in a way they really really need calm, patient, and loving(!) person so they could feel protected. Well, any horse needs that. :) But those abused horses do especially.
Talking to her, brushing her, lots of GROUND work, some lunging would make the horse to go over the fear. However there are horses who will always be dangerous. I was working with the one beat in head with the shovel BADLY (he had bumps on forehead from it). I went to the point I could ride him, but he was still dangerous even for me: for any spook he reared and flipped over number of times. He sent the very good rider (not me, thank God!) to the ER and so on...
    08-16-2008, 09:06 PM
I think sending the horse to a trainer was an OK idea, but really it's probably more of a trust issue. "Sue" should start with a lot of ground work and earn the horse's trust before trying to ride her, especially since the horse was previously abused.

And, I agree with sempre_cantando: never tie a horse to a gate. I made that mistake with my old Morgan, Pete. He was in his stall, the door is a gate that opens outwards, and I had him tied to it. I went to open it, he felt the pressure and pulled back. (He was always nervous about that - pressure pulling down on his head). My wrist got caught between the metal gate and the wood stall and he was freaking out and pulling the gate back, putting more pressure on my wrist. I remember just like.. standing there not really comprehending anything lol. He pulled until the gate lifted up off the hinges and came off, thus setting my arm free. Didn't break it, but I do have a scar. Unfortunately, I had to learn the hard way that tying a horse to gate is not a good idea. XD
    08-16-2008, 09:27 PM
I agree. I'd never even THINK about tying to a gate :/
    08-16-2008, 10:41 PM
I kind of doubt this horse actually attacked the girl. More than likely she was paniced and trying to get away from that evil gate that was attacking her. Your friend was simply in the wrong place.

Just gotta add this tho it's been said.

Never EVER tie a horse to anything that can move! Unless it's a rubber tire tied to a tree because that's sposed to move some. ;)

I don't bridle a tied horse period. They often will pull back and that simply teaches them a bad habit. Bad thing for this mare is now she's got a new fear. Sheesh..
    08-17-2008, 06:58 PM
Yepp, that's what I thought too. Isnt sooo dumb tho??

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