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    12-23-2012, 07:32 PM
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Foal
Question Dangerous rude behavior, please help!

I have got a three or four year old Arabian cross, Pepper.
When I got her she was very very unruly and dangerous. I worked her through that, wasn't too hard, she was a pipsqueak back then. But now she is a full grown, or close to full grown, horse.

She started to rear up in peoples faces, jump the fence, bite, and chase people down. A couple of weeks ago she reared up and got me in the chest and she chased my bestfriend's mother out of the pasture.
(we tell everyone now don't turn tail and run from her, walk calmly.)

Pepper is smart as I don't know what. I've never let her get away with too much.
She has been started under saddle in the last few months. She has had next to perfect ground manners, it's just recently.

I'm just curious as to why she might be acting up... My dad says she is playing but I've never allowed her to 'play' like that, atleast not with people. Maybe it's my fault, a training gap or I've just been treating her like my baby, even worse she has something physically wrong...
Any suggestions would be might helpful.
Thanks!
     
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    12-23-2012, 07:45 PM
  #2
Yearling
That horse might kill someone.
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    12-23-2012, 07:51 PM
  #3
Weanling
Either get rid of her, or get professional help before she kills someone.
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    12-23-2012, 08:22 PM
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Yearling
It's not that it can't be done, maybe. Just that the amount that now needs to be done to correct the situation might be more than you would want to put her through.
     
    12-23-2012, 08:35 PM
  #5
Showing
"I've just been treating her like my baby" That will get you in to trouble every time. You allow her into your space which makes her boss over you. Your space is the length of your outstretched arm. She is never to come in to that or you must move her out of it immediately. When you do this keep your feet planted. If you move the horse thinks it is moving you. In the herd a horse that is higher is the pecking order moves a lesser horse. Don't let that lesser horse be you. Get help if you need it. Sometimes one good lesson in retraining you may be all you need.
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    12-23-2012, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Ruthiey    
I have got a three or four year old Arabian cross, Pepper.
When I got her she was very very unruly and dangerous. I worked her through that, wasn't too hard, she was a pipsqueak back then. But now she is a full grown, or close to full grown, horse.

She started to rear up in peoples faces, jump the fence, bite, and chase people down. A couple of weeks ago she reared up and got me in the chest and she chased my bestfriend's mother out of the pasture.
(we tell everyone now don't turn tail and run from her, walk calmly.)

Pepper is smart as I don't know what. I've never let her get away with too much.
She has been started under saddle in the last few months. She has had next to perfect ground manners, it's just recently.

I'm just curious as to why she might be acting up... My dad says she is playing but I've never allowed her to 'play' like that, atleast not with people. Maybe it's my fault, a training gap or I've just been treating her like my baby, even worse she has something physically wrong...
Any suggestions would be might helpful.
Thanks!
There is your answer!
She is smart.
I have never let her get away with to much.

Letting her get away with anything is enough for her to have no respect at all.

All the rearing and chasing is natural, they do it to each other when in a herd, but they have to learn that it is a definite NO when humans are involved.

This horse needs work, she needs to have her mind occupied, most of all she needs discipline whereby, at the start, she does not even dare to blink without permission.

This does not mean that she is beaten up but it does mean that she is corrected by being made to do whatever with a firm poke of the finger or being made to go back.

I set a horse up for correction, it is easy to do. I will have them in the stable, and make them stand still untied. The moment they move they are corrected by being pushed back to where they were.
I will have them tied and if I walk to the other side of them I expect them to yield to me by moving over.

As for her behaviour in the filed then she would certainly have the shock of her life if she even thought of behaving as she is.
I would arm myself, preferably with a long lunge whip or my hunting whip, I prefer the latter as it is easier to hold unnoticed by the horse.

The moment she got in my face then she would feel that whip across her front legs hard.
This will probably cause the reaction of her swinging away and possibly double barrelling out at you - which she would do in a herd. My follow up would be to get at least one or two lashes into her backside to let her know that I really mean for her to stop that nonsense.

I do know what I am doing and am ready for their reaction, my actions are fast so there is absolutely no doubt in their mind as to my meaning it.

This mare needs to go to an experienced trainer and you need to go too so that you learn how to gain her respect.
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    12-23-2012, 08:37 PM
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Banned
If that were my horse it be going to the sale barn and in a big hurry. Even if you get her straightened out she could revert back to nasty. Sorry I wont keep a horse like that too many nice ones around that need homes. I had one that went after my daughter when she was 4 years old. He was in the kill mode only thing that kept him from getting her was a fence between them. I got rid of him two weeks later had he hurt my daughter he would of been shot right then and there.
     
    12-23-2012, 09:56 PM
  #8
Weanling
I'm only a couple hours away from you. If you are interested, maybe I could help. I'd have to bring her up here for a while, though. I'm not a professional trainer, but I've handled my share of horses. From what you've posted, she's already past your abilities to handle. You'd have a hard time undoing things now by yourself. You could probably do it with the help of a trainer, but not alone. Once she's corrected and settled, you could probably handle her...if you get a little training as well.

If you are interested, PM me. We'll see if we can figure something out.
     
    12-23-2012, 10:12 PM
  #9
Yearling
We bought a seven year old TWH mare in October of 2011. She is an in your pocket, loveable, beautiful mare. HOWEVER, she has a dark side. She is a full fledge Im going to turn my butt and let you have it horse. Well, was.... She never really bothered me but she attempted severy times to get my husband. The one and only time she has ever tried kicking at me was in the pasture at feed time. She got too close to me so when I took a step toward her she turned her butt and started kicking. I ALWAYS carry a whip in my pasture at feeding time. I let her have it. I smacked her about 15 times on her hind legs till she spun her rump and faced me, calmly. As long as her rump was towards me and was kicking I was crossing those back legs with the whip. She has NEVER turned her rump towards me again or even come close to acting like she is getting in my personal space. Now, my husband on the other hand just so happened to get kicked square on the butt by her because he was filling her water bucket and he was in her "space". She didnt just fire off at him once or twice. But about ten times in a row. The only thing he had was rocks. So you started picking up rocks and slinging them at her till she turned around and faced him. Its not a game. When you enter a horses field it aint their territory. Its YOURS. When she starts this BACK HER DOWN. At whatever it may take to do. Be assertive, be strong, stand your ground. Now, if you are too scared of her to do that. Then send her to a trainer or get rid of her. I have had a horse rear up on me one time. This was while I was lunging a horse. He charged me and reared and I took my whip and for every second those front feet where he got the sting of the whip across those front legs. No, sometimes it doesnt come down to having to use a whip you can mearly show you arent afraid and you arent going to back down and ask them to move away by swinging a rope or waving your hands. But in either of my instances that didnt work. My whip was my way of saying "GET OFF ME NOW!!!"
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    12-23-2012, 10:30 PM
  #10
Foal
I've started to carry a riding crop with me and a chained lead across her nose when I'm dealing with her.
I've got a few people who are willing to help me out with her.

I understand that many of you think getting rid of her might be a smart idea but I bottle fed her. I will do whatever I can to fix her. She just hasn't been nasty like this in a long time.
I won't just sell her because there are too many nice ones around. Almost every horse I've ever owned has been a nasty butt face when I got them. You have to see the diamond in the rough. Just about anything can be made shiny. And this mare of mine is most definitely something shiny, she has the personality (when she isn't be a total b), looks, movement, and just because she is my Pepper.

--I never realized that my bubble in the arms outstretched though! Magic and my friend's horse Toby don't walk up on me like that, they never have. Once we moved Toby in Pepper started that crap though. I'll have to remember that for when I feed in the morning.
     

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