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    11-28-2012, 12:13 AM
I will have to look into the pocket crop. My girl has no issues with crops now, I've worked out that kink but the bigger it gets the more she's "OMG run" I do not like the Arabian, though I do feel partially responsible, after my mare took over being alpha mare, then we got the older tb mare back up to weight the older mare took the paints spot it seems that she is, well she isn't a person but it seems like she's displaced and trying to dominate the people around her.

Before my boarders moved their partially blind Belgian mare the paint would use her to try to run people over. She'd herd the Belgian on her side of sight then run her with bites at me. Which is why they moved the Belgian mare. She did this in response to me carrying a lung whip before I fully realized that my mare was afraid of it.

I will need to find a pocket crop, I do not like being kicked and I do not like being threatened. Mind you I keep my fear of this mare in check, I don't want to know that I am scared she's going to kill me by kicking me in the head. So I do stand my ground as best as possible against a 800+ horse. I do feel safer with my mare, she walks with me in the pasture and gives the Arabian the "get away" ears back head tossing. That so far is the only thing that keeps her away from me.

I am mainly worried for the older mares, dogs and kids that go in the pasture. If her aggression gets worse then they could be in danger themselves and possibly frighten the kids of all horses. Which would be sad because not all of them as rude as this mare. But it is getting worse, I would like to see the mare sold to someone that can handle her and train her properly, because as it stands its myself and a 70 year old man that has to deal with this mare on a daily basis and either one of us could be seriously hurt if she ever decided to go all out for the purpose of hurting us. But its not my horse so I can't decide what to do with her. I do make my fears of this horse known, when ever I am kicked I tell them, the father in law has told her (my BO).
My BO's daughter is the one who she bought the horse for. But she's scared to death of her, though she tries to hide to it by laughing. Its clear she loves the horse but I believe they should sell the paint and buy her a more suitable horse for her. BOD has been thrown a few times (which was more like she fell off) so she is timid, I've been there but I was litterally thrown off, and I think this Arabian is feeding off the face that no one really takes charge of her. I've only seen her mildly respect one person and that was my friend who saddle broke her. The aggression gets worse when the mare is seasonal.

I do thank you for your advice. I gotta make a note on the pocket crop
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    11-28-2012, 12:24 AM
I warm my horse up in the pasture because, we do not have a riding ring anymore. A storm blew through and some how wrecked it to hell. And the yard next to the pasture which I would have been riding is now has holes everywhere thanks to the dogs.

When I feed her its an open run area, Like a lean two with 2 stalls in the back of it. So the Arabian is loose because the run/tiny barn is in the pasture next to the house.
    11-28-2012, 12:32 AM
You can wish they would sell her all you like (and I understand your reasons, they seem sound) but people are going to do what they're going to do and nothing you say is going to change it. Your concern for the other horses and humans is admirable, but ultimately, you have no say or influence because the paint mare is not your horse. Sell, train, or ignore her that mare's owners will have to decide and pay for it.

In the meanwhile, you need to teach this mare you are not to be approached, because that may be the only thing that keeps you from getting killed. Let your horse be scared and run away while you have the lunge whip and are dealing with the paint mare. Keeping your head attached to your shoulders and not caved in is a bigger priority than working on a training issue with your own horse that you can deal with later.
    11-28-2012, 12:32 AM

How long did it take your boy to stop fearing the whip? My mare has been doing very well, but she does re lasp randomly, I've gotten to the point I can crack it near her as long as I don't make eye contact with her. That's I can lay it along her neck where it dangles down her face. BUT randomly she does "spook" at it :/ I do believe it was deeply embedded in her mind, I found out the tb farm that bred her, their long time trainer went away for animal abuse for the horses he trained. He was known to hobble them on the first day and beat them with whips. So I do think its in her mind that whips are to be feared. Though I haven't tried using my 6 foot lunge whip, only my 4 foot stock whip.
Crops she has no trouble with.

The idea of chasing this mare around does sound seem to sounds effective, since mainly that is what you all are suggesting. I will start taking my stock whip with me. Hopefully that will help.

    11-28-2012, 12:41 AM
My horse did not have any abuse issues that I know of- so that may definitely change the timeline for you two from us, but once I started incorporating using a lunge whip into our training a couple times a week, it was probably a month before he got comfortable. I used it to chase off other horses in the same pasture he was loose in, I used it in the round pen (VERY low pressure there, especially to start I just dragged it behind me).

Once he realized he could trust ME with the whip he improved quickly. He still has a VERY healthy respect for it though. So much as step towards him and raise it while in pasture and he will stop, turn and go the other way at a smart pace. But the blind OMG!FEAR!PANIC reaction is gone down to OMG!OK!YESMA'AM!
    11-28-2012, 12:49 AM
The aggressive mare may have been taken down off the top a notch, but she does not see YOU as above her. You are below. If you can move the horses, any of the horses, that alone shows your dominance to start with. Even herding the other horses around a bit show them that when you walk in, YOU are the herd leader.

If you must feed them out in that open situation, can you put down a few piles of hay around the area to keep the other horses off of you for a bit? Shouldn't they all be fed at the same time, with spread out piles (always ONE more pile than horses so that it eases the pressure as the dominant horse pushes the lessers off their pile)

As to a whip, I find a lunge whip too hard to manuever quickly and in close quarters. I use either a dressage whip, or a buggy whip. If you vibrate it rapidly in the air toward the animal, it makes a very intimidating noise.

The instant that mare starts to approach you, and I don't mean even to be nasty, but just to approach you uninvited, you turn towardx her, pin YOUR ears and start vibrating that stick out toward her. You stop her advancing. She is NEVER to approach you without being invited. If she tries to go around, you "chase" her a bit until she turns away, then you ease off. Don't chase at her if she is moving away from you, but if she turns in preperation to "fire", then whir that whip fast and furious, and if you can smack her without being kicked, you lay it on her with all your might.

You get her to stand way off from you and ask for permission to come in. If you think you can deal with it, walk up and pet her on the nose and then walk away and leave her, but keep reminding her, she NEVER approaches ONE step toward you (I mean closer than about 20 feet), that you don't warn her off.

You have to develp eyes int he back of your head and cut off the very small ways that she tries to get past your "line". If you have to hit her, do it with total committment.

If your mare runs off, don't worry too much. She will get used to it, and your moving her and the others is another demonstration of your dominance. Horses are usually pretty good at sorting out which horse you are "after" , so I bet she'll get over it. Heck , she might come to see you as her "protector" once she has confidence you can move off the "bully" mare.
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    11-28-2012, 01:04 AM
Thanks Tiny Liny ^^ That was very informative. I do have the other mares under control, I say move and they do so rapidly. I barely have to even speak to the other two, or mine for that matter just a flick my hand and wrist and they leave.

I've never had to deal with a mare like this Arabian before. I have had my fair share of dominate horses, even a fearful one that learned kicking was the only way to make people leave him alone. This mare takes the cake on bad experiences. I have a stock whip, it is my first choice when I think of a whip, my 6 foot lunge whip is heavy and puts a strain on my wrist when I have to flip it around a lot.

If it takes me using the whip against this mare will also get my horse a bit of help by realizing im not after her with it then I will start taking it out with me.
This mare doesn't bother my girl, my mare is the alpha, typically my mare will ward off the Arabian with no problems. So I don't worry about her being bullied by the Arabian, my girl will go after her if she starts acting a fool towards the others.

Thank for the advice ^^ its a big help, least now im armed with some information on dealing with this mare and hopefully my time in the pasture will start improving
    11-28-2012, 01:09 AM
Stock whip is ideal. Don't get me wrong, I woudl not like to deal with this. Takes really digging deep for courage, and I am glad to not be in your shoes there.
Wear your helmet when you do this.
    11-28-2012, 08:55 AM
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Frankly, I would tell the BO in the presence of at least one other person that she is legally liable for anything that horse does to any other horse or to a person. I would warn her that the horse qualifies as a 'viscous animal' and under all state statutes that I know of, like a pit bull that attacks someone, she is absolutely legally liable for any injuries this horse causes animals or people. What she is purposely exposing customers to would be considered 'gross negligence' in any court in the country. I would also ask for proof of her liability insurance if she refuses to lock up or get rid of said horse.

If she does not pen up the horse or get rid of it, move your horse. If she came only inches from killing you by kicking you in the head, you are very lucky. She or this barn are not worth the danger of being there.

By the way, you should never ride in a group of horses. It is not safe. People get kicked all of the time doing this and broken legs (on people) are very common, even with people who are used to riding in a horse pasture.

If you do want to try to use a whip to get this horse away from you, use a 5-6 foot stock whip with a good 18 inch lash or learn how to use a bull whip. A longe whip is totally ineffective and cannot inflict enough pain to make a really mean horse anything but more aggressive. A dressage whip is just the right length to get you kicked in the face.

But really, this is too dangerous of a place for any person, especially a novice horse person, to keep a horse. Print this and show it to her if you like. JMHO

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    11-28-2012, 11:34 PM

She ran up to me today, literally full charge and cracked the whip she turned to kick and I gave her a good firm smack with it. She completely ran away and would stare at me from afar ^^ didn't try to get in my space again. I'm sure she will try again and I will still have my stock whip with me.

Thanks everyone <3

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