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  • Nobody eats till i'm done with mine
  • Just bought a horse that is a kicker ..she will kick you and lays her ears flat back

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    01-03-2013, 01:11 PM
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Foal
Question Did I Do The Right Thing?

Hi guys, this morning I went out to feed Chief and I was moving his ground feeder since it had rained and it was in a muddy spot, and Chief was pretty anxious so I sent him off and instead he swung his butt around and kicked both legs at me and trotted off. He didn't actually hit me, he did what he did when I first got him, just like a threat. Well I immediately took the feed away from him and put it inside. I chased him for a second with the leadrope but I knew that wasn't going to really help much. So I got his halter and took him out for a little groundwork. He listened very well, backing, stopping, and yielding his hindquarters. Then I put him back out and fed himand he was fine. Do you guys think there was anything else I should have done? Also, I really need some new exercises to do with him for respect, on the ground. I want to work with him but I don't want to bore him with the same ol' stuff.
     
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    01-03-2013, 01:25 PM
  #2
Yearling
In my opinion, yes you did what you could. But is a kicker? Or was this just a one time thing?
     
    01-03-2013, 01:30 PM
  #3
Super Moderator
If a horse kicks out at you at feed time this is a pretty serious display of disrespect to you. Your actions in response are not wrong, it's just that they need to be much more immediate.

If it had been me, I would have dropped everything and come after that horse like I was going to KILL it. If I had a lead line in hand, I'd swing the end down hard on his butt (assuming I have enough room to be out of kicking range). If not, I'd pick up a stick or I'd take off my coat or use whatever I could put in my hand in ONE second and go after him. Yell loudly and make him realize he just kicked open a hornets nest, so to speak.

After I had moved him around (loose, in the pasture if that's where you are), then I'd go back to the food, put the grain in and stand over it like I am the lead horse and nobody eats til I am done. Do not allow him to approach it. Go after him like a lead horse would, if he approaches. When he is perfectly cowed and willing to stand submissively off to the side, step away and let him have it.

You need to practice moving him off of you every time you come in to feed him. He must stand a good 6 to 8 feet off of you , not have his ears pinned and wait until you put the grain in, stand over it and "own" it for a bit, then turn and walk off.
     
    01-03-2013, 01:35 PM
  #4
Showing
You have learned a great lesson without getting hurt. Always carry a lunge whip with you or even a stick at least 4' long. Set the feed down and wave the stick side to side about waist height. If he walks into it he'll move away quickly. Do this each time you feed and it won't be long before he learns to keep his distance. When you have safely stepped away (kick zone) lower the stick and leave. Let him have his feed in peace.
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    01-03-2013, 01:37 PM
  #5
Foal
No, he is not a kicker. When I first got him he threatened to kick strangers, but also the guy who I bought him from. And I wanted to get after him more but it just rained and it was exremely muddy.
     
    01-03-2013, 01:47 PM
  #6
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Originally Posted by Get up and go    
No, he is not a kicker. When I first got him he threatened to kick strangers, but also the guy who I bought him from. And I wanted to get after him more but it just rained and it was exremely muddy.

I am not sure you realize that a horse that threatens to kick strangers is a kicker. I mean, in his heart.

I have to routinely go and get my horse out of a bunch of 12 or so, and sometimes they are all around the feeding troughs. I have to go in amoungst them and get mine. Not one will threaten to kick me. One of them has, in the past, but I have made it my mission a couple of times to be his worst nightmare, just for a bit. If he swings even slightly that butt my way, he gets the stink eye from me so fast.

A horse shouldn't even THINK of kicking. Even THINKING of kicking is about as bad as kicking. Never to be excused or passed over.
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    01-03-2013, 01:47 PM
  #7
Trained
I just had to have a 'discussion' with my 2 stock types. My Arabs are never pushy or grabby or disrespectful at dinner time so it always surprises me a little bit when the QH's get all up in my space when I'm bringing buckets. The other night Honey Boo Boo really crowded me while I was dumping her bucket in her feeder. I sent her flying to the back of her stall and gave her my 'mare stare' until she stood still, licked her lips and gave me her ears. Then I gave her permission to eat. Had to have the same discussion in the stallion's stall, he was very quick to submit, that boy loves to eat better than anything.

Honey Boo Boo is a great one for giving me her 'mare ears' and we've had a couple discussions about that. She's getting much better, but it's a work in progress. Every single time she gives me a flat ear or caca face, I run her off and she has to come back, stay out of my space and give me pretty ears and a respectful look. I think at her previous owner's she was allowed to be alpha all the time, and here I insist that I'm alpha and everyone in the pasture is submissive to me or there's He!! To pay.

If one of them actually hiked their hiney at me, and tossed heels my direction, I'd just about take the hide and hair off of 'em, or at least they'd think I was going to. Being double barreled by a horse is NOT a good thing. BTDT, thought she'd gotten my spleen. I got lucky and just had major bruising for several weeks but where she got me, it could have been very bad. NOBODY comes in my space anymore unless I've invited them to.
Fahntasia and Get up and go like this.
     
    01-03-2013, 01:53 PM
  #8
Foal
Sorry Tinyliny, I didn't really specify on that enough. When I bought him in July, he had respect issues, he threatened to kick strangers. It only took him about a week to get out of that habit. It's pretty rare now that he does threaten to kick. When I first got him you couldn't even walk behind him without him raising his leg, now you can stand nehind him all day and he doesn't care.
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    01-03-2013, 08:25 PM
  #9
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It should have hurt. Pain is a great deterrent. I've thrown feed tubs, halter and lead-rope and buckets full of grain. If I can't make it hurt, I want the horse think it is going to die.

I have caught horses after pulling something like that and made them run backward, trying to jerk their heads off every step of the way. I want them them to remember that they messed with the wrong person --- period.

I cannot remember any horse that turned his butt to me twice -- let alone actually kicked at me.
     
    01-03-2013, 08:31 PM
  #10
Trained
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Originally Posted by Cherie    
It should have hurt. Pain is a great deterrent. I've thrown feed tubs, halter and lead-rope and buckets full of grain. If I can't make it hurt, I want the horse think it is going to die.

I have caught horses after pulling something like that and made them run backward, trying to jerk their heads off every step of the way. I want them them to remember that they messed with the wrong person --- period.

I cannot remember any horse that turned his butt to me twice -- let alone actually kicked at me.
Totally agree with you Cherie! The mare that kicked only did so once, and she only got me that once because she absolutely didn't telegraph her intent. She ended up being such a nut case we put her down for OTHER dangerous behaviours, but she never kicked again.
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