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post #1 of 29 Old 09-25-2010, 07:07 PM Thread Starter
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The difference between RESCUING and HOARDING

I see it all the time! People who get these free or cheap horses that are skinny and half-dead, but they don't have the proper finances, facilities, nor experience to rehabilitate them and retrain them. I guess what motivates them is thinking that in the future, they will have given the horse a better life as well as make a nice profit off of this cheap/free horse.

Well, lemme tell you somethin' bout that ...

If you are rescuing a horse, and you properly give it the care it needs, you will be lucky to get your money BACK, let alone make a profit. You'll have vet bills, smithy bills, all the feed, the supplements, the daily care, the blood sweat n tears put into training ... if you go into it thinking, "I'm doing this for the money," then you will be very disappointed.

I know a place that brings in a new horse almost every week. They never quarantine it from the others, they don't care about bringing a vet out to check its condition, they don't bother bringing out the smithy, and the horse will get the same feed as everyone else (which, for some amount of time, was cowfeed). The barn is a 17 stall barn, and they have on average 30 horses there at a time (they keep the rest in the riding arena, which has no shelter). As soon as they get a new horse, some brave soul rides it to see what it can do. Then they put it on craigslist for twice what they got it for, advertising it as a "barrel prospect" or "dead broke" horse.

Think that's bad? They're also a public riding stable. Which means all these little rescues are getting taken out on trails by paid customers for one to two hours at a time, six or so times a day. And yes, I have called the humane society several times, but you know what they say? "Well, they told us they were all rescues." -_-

The point is... If you are interested in rescuing a horse and later rehoming it, please stay smart. Understand that it takes time and money, and you may not always get that money back. Never take on more than you can handle. It's about the horse being better off than it was, not the money! Some horses have to be purchased to be 'rescued'. Not all rescues are skinny and emaciated, either. I just want to point out that I know that, lol.

Sorry for the rant! I feel better, LOL.

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I know how ya feel, girl. I volunteer at an actual rescue where we can only afford to take in a few a year. The last one we took in...his owner fought us wanting us to 'pay' to take him. Said we were going to turn him around and sell him and make a huge profit! Oh yeah! Gigantic Profit! Huge! 12 year old grade horse with lyme disease who we ended up putting down anyways! But not before we dumped over $1000 into getting him vetted up. People are ignorant.

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I know how ya feel, girl. I volunteer at an actual rescue where we can only afford to take in a few a year. The last one we took in...his owner fought us wanting us to 'pay' to take him. Said we were going to turn him around and sell him and make a huge profit! Oh yeah! Gigantic Profit! Huge! 12 year old grade horse with lyme disease who we ended up putting down anyways! But not before we dumped over $1000 into getting him vetted up. People are ignorant.

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Yes, people are very ignorant. I agree. And I'm sorry to hear that happened :[ But God bless you for trying to save him.

Do you guys get a lot of ex-racers in your rescue? There is a woman out here that adopts as many off the track as she can, then leaves them in the barn to starve. I got two horses from her: Two sorrel thoroughbreds, a mare and a gelding. I was originally only going to take one, the gelding, but she swore they were brother and sister and they have been together their entire lives so they would have to go together. I didn't believe her one bit, but I figured I would go ahead and take the mare too because she looked pitiful. Paid $750 for them. They had dirt packed in their teeth, as well as splinters in their tongues from eating wood (they had nothing else). I ran their tattoo numbers, and sure enough, the gelding she said was 8 was actually 6 and was bred in Florida, and the mare she was was 2 was actually 4 and bred in Lexington. They weren't related; not even close! They're both amazing athletes now, two years later, and I adopted them out for $400 each to 4-H families.

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We get a good bit of standardbreds around here as harness racing is pretty popular in my state (PA) but we certainly get a good handful of TB's though. The last one was Dani...8 y/o bright sorrel TB. She was just the sorriest thing ever. She broke her withers and chipped a bone in her pelvis while flipping in the gate. She was so well bred that they put her back together and bred her. She tore and hemmoraged while having that foal and was sent to the meat auction. A bleeding heart type from up the road bought her because he felt sorry for her. She was chronically lame, could never be rode, a very very very hard keeper. She did eventually find a home as a pasture buddy for a man who just loves TB's...and especially some famous race horse that was in her pedigre...I can't remember the name though!
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I don't believe in making money out of rescues. Unless you are VERY lucky (and I've seen it happened, but very rare). Often the rescue costs you a lot with all vet and (often) training expenses. Many people don't get it unfortunately.
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Agreed. It ticks me right off when people are making money and calling them rescues - that's called a FLIP, not a RESCUE. Someone posted a website of someone who picks up horses at the slaughter pens for whatever price, trains them for a month, and then sells them for prices into the thousands and actually has the NERVE to call herself a rescue and beg for donations. You're making money sweetie, I don't think so!



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I have a neighbour down the road who wants to take in rescue horses. She has never handled a horse in her life. I tried to explain how hard it is even to handle a supposedly good horse but she won't have none of it. She's in for a rude awakening.
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Rescues can make money, but you do have to be selective I guess about what you take in. I know some only take in ones that they know they can keep 3 months and turn for $1000-$1500. The biggest thing about making a profit doing it is salesmanship. It may sound bad, but no one thinks that you can move a horse in this market, but its not true. I personally and several of my friends have been offered consignment horses just because they can't sell the horse, and once a good ad is written, perfect pictures are taken, and you know what you're talking about, the horse can sell in the matter of days. But in normal cases of taking in anything and everything that needs to be rescued, no you can't turn a big profit. My friend has had to put down 2 of her rescues in the last month, which is hard enough just mentally, let alone financially considering she paid over $500 combined for these horses to rescue them from slaughter pens.
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Hear, hear, TeeBee! Yes, it's one of those things I reckon. However the example you gave sounds like they're just plain horse dealers, without even the intent of 'rescue & find a good home'. Spose that puts the well intended ignoramuses ahead, even tho, as the saying goes, 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions'.

Unfortunately I have a friend who 'rescued' a couple of mares with foals at foot, who at the time had the means to look after them. She is also not in the least ignorant about what is required for proper care, so doesn't even have that excuse. The problem is, she lost her job, then decided to get one of the (unbroken, unfriendly, badly conformed...) mares in foal, to a friend's(ultra ordinary) stallion. The foal was a colt, who she professed not to have the money to geld, so since then(he's now about 5yo) there have been another 4 foals(!!). Luckily he hasn't yet bred his mum. Of course, worming & farrier care for them all is far too expensive, let alone nutritional supps or vet care. The (oldest)stallion's got a deformed forehead after being kicked in it!

...And unfortunately the RSPCA's hands are tied, because the horses aren't loose, bothering anyone or on death's door! She won't give them away, because she perceives that as a loss and won't even bother to advertise them because 'who's going to pay much for unbroken horses?' - more to the point IMO is that the original 2 mares are now 16yo. She also rescued a full male puppy which she doesn't restrain & who's left his puppies all over the neighbourhood....
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Rescues can make money, but you do have to be selective I guess about what you take in. I know some only take in ones that they know they can keep 3 months and turn for $1000-$1500. The biggest thing about making a profit doing it is salesmanship. It may sound bad, but no one thinks that you can move a horse in this market, but its not true. I personally and several of my friends have been offered consignment horses just because they can't sell the horse, and once a good ad is written, perfect pictures are taken, and you know what you're talking about, the horse can sell in the matter of days. But in normal cases of taking in anything and everything that needs to be rescued, no you can't turn a big profit. My friend has had to put down 2 of her rescues in the last month, which is hard enough just mentally, let alone financially considering she paid over $500 combined for these horses to rescue them from slaughter pens.
As far as I am concerned, that is NOT a rescue. That is purchasing a horse from a location, and training it to make money. Yeah, I guess you "rescued" it from death, but I think it's pretty sad when people beg for donations because THEY decide to pick their flip horse from a kill pen. Or pass it off as a rescue to make bleeding hearts feel better about spending a ton of money on a mediocre horse.

I guess everyone has a different idea, but to me a rescue is a place where you take confiscated horses due to abuse, neglect, starvation, etc. and attempt to re-habilitate and re-home them. If you're pulling sickly horses from a kill pen and getting them healthy enough to re-home, power to you. If you're pulling healthy stock to train and flip, you are not rescuing anything. All horses could potentially end up in the kill pens, so why not just call every single horse we buy a rescue then?

That's just my opinion, I guess I look at it in terms of "charity" and I would only ever donate to people who are a true rescue in the sense of the word.

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