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        08-23-2009, 08:03 PM
      #1
    Foal
    A different kind of rearing thread...

    We have a horse at our house, he is staying here for who knows how long. The problem(s) are that he rears, he has gone over backwards before, and he also bucks sometimes.

    Some examples of times he has reared is when my dad was riding him before a competition for drill team and he stopped, when my dad asked him to go he reared and fell over sideways/backwards. I was riding him down a hill on the trails and at the bottom there was a mud puddle patch thing . He reared up and I jumped off before he did anything.

    He is also very stubborn to a point of bucking if we try to get him to move.

    Any advice?

    Just to add, my dad won't let us ride him because he is dangerous so this advice will be passed on to my dad.
         
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        08-23-2009, 08:20 PM
      #2
    Trained
    First, you must rule out all pain. The saddle, the joints, the hooves, the teeth, everything. No matter what you do with him, nothing will be worked out if he's in pain.

    So once you rule out pain, I'm quite the fan of bonking horse's on the top of the head. Before you think I'm insane and abusive, hear me out. I like to use eggs. =P Your horse will think he hit his head on the sky, there will be a nice "cracking" sound, and goop will get all over his ears. He'll think his brain is spilling all the over the place. O_O

    The problem with my method is your dad will have to actually have raw eggs on hand, and be able to "ride out" his rear one-handed, and the whole ride before his rear with an egg in his hand.

    Some alterations are using rolled up newspaper. It won't hurt, but he'll feel it more. Or, I suppose your dad could use a crop, but I really wouldn't advise doing so. The poll is pretty tender. Which is, again, why I'd use eggs.
         
        08-23-2009, 08:28 PM
      #3
    Foal
    ^^That's what my dad was going to do! (the eggs) lol. We were trying to figure out a way to carry the eggs, or maybe trying water balloons?

    The owners have had the hooves and saddle and teeth checked, the joints could possibly be a problem.
         
        08-23-2009, 08:50 PM
      #4
    Trained
    If I am on any horse, the second I feel any upwards tendency, thwy will think the world is falling in if they don't move forwards, NOW. It is just TOO dangerous to allow it to develop. I had a friend who snapped his shoulder when a horse reared and fell on him. I yell, wave my arms, boot, over under the reins, turn them sideways if they are blocked (puddle being an example) and they are going to keeo going forward until the upward momentum is gone. It is physically impossible for a horse to rear when moving forward.

    I sit calm and quiet as anything until I feel that lift, and then I go bonkers. As soon as they relax and don't have upward in their mind, i'm quiet and calm again.
         
        08-23-2009, 08:59 PM
      #5
    Foal
    Another good idea thank you!
    Just for the puddle, the reason I couldn't move was because it was a semi narrow trail, and there was a line of horses behind me and woods on either side, so it was more of a through the mud puddle or nothing deal.

    But again thank you :)
         
        08-23-2009, 09:08 PM
      #6
    Trained
    Get him soft so you can bend him at the poll and don't attack him when you think he might rear. Just put some bend in his body and urge him forward. Horses do the things they do because they think it's the only way for them to stay alive. They don't do it because they hate us or they want to see if they can piss us off. If you let him rear and try to hit him on the poll with an egg you might end up dead with a hand full of egg. Keep the bend in him and he physically can't rear or buck. A horse has to be straight from the nose to the tail in order to rear or buck or jump. This will require some groundwork that has obviously not been done with this horse to get him supple. I wouldn't get on this horse until I could bend his nose right around to his ribs fairly easily and disengage the hindquarters really well. If he's someone elses horse I wouldn't have him around or at least I wouldn't be riding him. It's just to much risk to get nothing out of it.
         
        08-24-2009, 01:08 AM
      #7
    Trained
    I agree with Kevin...

    I have to say also that cracking a horse in the head 'may' stop the current rear, but isn't going to necessarily stop the behavior in the future. I have also come across horses who became extremely head shy, or sensitive to pressure on the poll, because they are afraid something is going to hit them there. I'm not a fan of smacking the horse for this kind of behavior, I don't care how much you want to stop it. Figure out why the horse is rearing, then figure out what should be done; usually the horse needs more understanding of the word "go". Yes, rearing is a terrible habit, but I'm just not one who believes that it's fixed simply because you whack him on the head...there's usually something else going on in the horse's head, other than "I just want to get rid of my rider by rearing"...

    My current horse was not afraid to use "up" as a way to get out of going forward away from the barn or paddock. But rather than cracking him for it, I have been working on getting him to understand "go" better. I have also worked on bending and flexing, as those were often things that would cause him to want to go up...he just didn't want to do them, nor did he really understand what I wanted; Now that he has an understanding of what I am asking for, I haven't had a rear in over 2 months, nor does he show any inclination of it, because he knows that I am going to control his feet, no matter what the situation is.
         
        08-24-2009, 01:32 PM
      #8
    Green Broke
    I agree. I think it depends on the horse. With some horses, a thwack on the top of the head will work. These are typically only horses who are rebelling to go forward, and don't get much lift off the ground. They're not scared, they're not in pain, they're trying to avoid going forward. This method worked on Shay-las mare who had been "trained" to rear and learned to do so to avoid work. She didn't hit her, she merely held a piece of PVC above her head and let HER bonk her head when she went up. After a few sessions, Cinder has never reared again, even when given the "command" to rear (squeeze legs, pull back reins which is obviously the command to back up, and she does so now nciely).

    The minute you get a "crazed" rearer, the absolute worst thing you can do is start trying to implement physical discipline. He's already flipped, and didn't learn his lesson, so why would hitting him on top of the head teach him? When a horse is rearing that high and that dangerous, any shift in your weight can spell disaster, so you need to be as quiet as possible during the rear.

    However, if he's this "crazed" with his anatics, I seriously suggest seeking a vet. If a horse is so desperate to escape, he'll flip himself and continue with the behavior regardless of the pain he's just experienced, I really think there is an underlying problem. Especially combined with the bucking.

    Hope you get it figured out!
         
        08-24-2009, 02:57 PM
      #9
    Yearling
    I agree with Kevin.....

    Horses usually go up for a couple of reasons, pain being the first, confusion or frustration being the second. They go up as part of the flight or fight. When they feel they have no other option up they go.

    By teaching them to be soft you give them a comfortable place to be when things get tough for them. I also agree that you need to be in control of the "engine" the hind end at all times.

    Quite frankly it sounds like your over horsed and you either need to go back to basics with him or send him back to the owners. At this point unless your dad is willing to do the ground work it's going to take I would send him back. Someone is going to get hurt.
         
        08-24-2009, 03:55 PM
      #10
    Trained
    You can find some other good suggestions by searching for "rearing" using the search feature. This seems to be a fairly common problem. I dealt with it myself this spring and started a thread on here (Naughty Rearing Horse was the title). Sorry I'm too lazy to paraphrase all the responses right now
         

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