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    07-14-2012, 11:16 AM
  #1
Foal
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About two months ago we were given an Appaloosa. Whenever my mom enters her stall she usually (but not always) turns her but to my mom. Also in the paster she will not let anyone approach her. Are either of these or both Out of disrespect? If so what could we do to try to get her to respect us?
     
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    07-14-2012, 12:11 PM
  #2
Foal
When a horse purposely turns their butt toward someone like you described, I consider that one of the most disrespectful things you can do. Not being caught in the pasture could also be a sign of disrespect, but not to as large of a degree as the butt turning, IMO. To gain her respect, I would suggest doing a lot of groundwork with her. There are a lot of resources out there, from boks to videos, from tons of different horse people that can suggest some good exercises on the ground to get her to start seeing you (and your mom) as the leader of the herd.
     
    07-14-2012, 08:59 PM
  #3
Trained
I wouldn't get hung up on words & feelings like 'respect/disrespect'. Without knowing more of the situation, who knows why she's doing it - could be fear, could be that she's had unpleasant experiences when caught before... - but keeping it simple, she doesn't want to be caught.

So I'd work on changing that motivation for starters, have her see you as a Good Thing in her life that she's happy getting close to. Depending on her previous experiences, this could be a slow process to begin with, until she gets the idea.

I'd also treat the turning her rump on you in the stable pretty directly & using a stick/whip/rope - to stay out of kicking range - make it unpleasant(not painful) to do this & reinforce her for moving it away from you.
     
    07-14-2012, 10:05 PM
  #4
Yearling
Both are signs of disrespect. When she turns her butt on anyone in the stall, get after her. Make her move her feet. This could turn into a situation where she starts to kick, so discovering it in it's beginning stages is good. If you can not safely get her to move her feet in the stall then bring a whip, and give her a few sharp smacks on the butt until she turns and faces you. When she doesn't want to be caught, chase her away, scare her or flick her lead rope at her until she's running from you. Make it seem like it was your idea that she left, and that coming to you is the easiest thing to do.
     
    07-14-2012, 10:17 PM
  #5
Showing
It's more like a trust thing I think.. she isn't testing you she just doesn't trust you fully.

Respect issues are more like.. trying to overpower you BECAUSE she doesn't respect you as a herd leader (as in you are lower on the pecking order)

Needless to say you need to work on walking her down and prompting her to turn her butt away from you IMOP. Then praise her when she faces you either a physical touch, a treat (if you want since she technically earned it) or just be giving her more space (stepping back)

This isn't about cuddling and becoming BFFs it's more about making sure she knows you are the leader in your relationship. The respect will blossom while the trust does.

Does that make sense to you OP?
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    07-14-2012, 11:09 PM
  #6
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Skyseternalangel    
It's more like a trust thing I think.. she isn't testing you she just doesn't trust you fully.

Respect issues are more like.. trying to overpower you BECAUSE she doesn't respect you as a herd leader (as in you are lower

Needless to say you need to work on walking her down and prompting her to turn her butt away from you IMOP. Then praise her when she faces you either a physical touch, a treat (if you want since she technically earned it) or just be giving her more space (stepping back)

This isn't about cuddling and becoming BFFs it's more about making sure she knows you are the leader in your relationship. The respect will blossom while the trust does.

Does that make sense to you OP?

I like your answer Sky!
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    07-14-2012, 11:19 PM
  #7
Showing
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I like your answer Sky!
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    07-15-2012, 08:03 AM
  #8
Foal
A horse swinging it's butt to you can not only be considered disrespectful it can also be considered a threat. If you watch horses in a herd setting when one horse swings its butt at another horse it's warning, basically get out of my space or you could be kicked. Now a horse can do this out of fear or dominance. It's hard to say in these settings when you can't see the behavior or the possible cause.

A horse has to trust in order to except a herd leader. A horse swinging it's butt to a herd leader is disrespectful or fighting for leadership, a lead horse wouldn't tolerate such a behavior. I once watched my little arab do what I can only describe as a fly by kicking to the lead mare. Basically she ran up to her swung her butt around kicked her then took off at a dead run. The lead mare penned her ears back waited for her to stop running walked over and wham two solid thunks right in her butt. What did my arab do well followed her around of course with her head in the dirt for over two hours. I have watched several horses swing their butts to lead horse and the result is always the same the lead kicks or chases the other horses around until they remember who is the boss.

Being hard to catch, well I would again treat the horse like you are the herd leader, chase it make it work as paliminolover said make going away from you your choice and coming to you the easiest thing for it to do. After chasing a horse around I always reward it coming to me with a treat to help it remember that it wants to come to me.

Hope this helps
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    07-15-2012, 08:51 AM
  #9
Foal
Eefje does that too, turning her but whenever you open the stall.
The owner thinks she 'learned' it because her mother did that too. Like 'Oh, my mum does that, then I have to do it too!'.
Is that possible? That she learned it that way?
Anyway, she doesn't kick when you walk to her head, but I don't trust it always. But that's just me I think. In the past you couldn't get near/touch her hindlegs. That times I use a whip to get her turned around.
Although she doesn't kick, I don't appreciate her turning her but to me.
So I'll read along to get tips too :P
     
    07-15-2012, 09:10 PM
  #10
Foal
Today me and my mom did a little groundwork exercise trying to gain her and my horses respect. She did not turn her butt to my mom afterwords and also let mu mom approach her in the field. It was a good start.
     

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