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post #1 of 16 Old 04-20-2011, 05:40 PM Thread Starter
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Disrespect problem/question

My horse is very dominant/alpha/lead horse in any situation with other horses. I have established my role as leader to him with the monty roberts join-up and blah blah blah. Well. He has developed a new habit that I am unsure how to correct.

Any time he's running around in the pasture and galloping around he'll kick out towards me. He's not close too me so I'm not in any danger of getting kicked, but in people language he's saying "f you"

I had him in the round pen the other day and when I sent him forward in a lengthened trot he took off and tried kicking out, so I corrected it by sending him on even harder and throwing a stick at his butt.

How else can I work on this and stop getting this disrespect?
He's being rude! :)
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post #2 of 16 Old 04-20-2011, 05:45 PM
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What I did on lunge just smacked my qh's bum with the stick when she tried to kick out in my direction. I think CA puts it very nicely: buck - something bites in bum, buck again - something bites again. Usually couple "bites" (smacks) is enough to get point across. As for the field... Frankly I'm not sure. My horses do it too - they fly around kicking all over the place. I can NOT correct it because it's a big field and they run in liberty (and don't get close enough to me anyway). So I just let them be horses.

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post #3 of 16 Old 04-20-2011, 05:46 PM
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Oh I'm interested in the answers you get my boy does this when I feed him lately he never actually does it close enough to me but as he runs off he sometimes pins his ears and kicks out. A bit like F you though he would never actually chase off because I told him to wait.

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I agree with KV, when he's in the field, there really isn't much you can do about it. I also agree with 'biting' him when he kicks at you when you are working him. Most horses I have handled, once they learn proper respect for you during work, that respect tends to follow over into their play lifestyle as well and they will be more careful to play conservatively when you are around them.
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Great idea, that makes sense, I will start trying it. And I'd say he was "just being a horse" in the pasture, but I notice that he always kicks out with the leg pointing towards me, whichever leg it is. 100% of the time. And it's just the sort of naughty crap he'd pull. :)
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post #6 of 16 Old 04-20-2011, 09:23 PM
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I'm not so sure your horse is being disrespectful in the field or the round pen. You are well out of kicking range and horses in their exhuberance will do this to each other. If he wasn't respectul he'd have kicked you or hit you with his shoulder. If you hit him you may get the respect but you won't have his trust.
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post #7 of 16 Old 04-21-2011, 06:45 PM
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I agree with you Saddlebag. Could it be that he's just playing. I mean horses play like that with each other all the time. If they mean to tell you off you will know because they are deadly accurate. I think sometimes people go over the top to get respect (or at least what they think is respect) and then wonder why their horses are all fearful.
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post #8 of 16 Old 04-21-2011, 08:27 PM Thread Starter
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I'm pretty sure he's being disrespectful in the round pen. He only kicks out in my direction when I ask him to move forward or put some more effort into his trot. And this is a new habit developing in the past few weeks. He's never "played" like this in the 9 years he's been alive.

He could be playing in the pasture, but it's the exact same reastion as the round pen, he kicks out towards me, ears pinned. And I know him well enough that I know he's just being lazy in the round pen and isn't particularly happy about moving forward.

I think this might have stemmed from when I'm riding and I ask him to move forawrd.or do something he doesn't want to do, and he'll kick out at my leg pressure.

I also have already had him checked by the vet and chiro and nothing is physically wrong with him. He's simply the alpha and he's lazy and he doesn't want to work.
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I'm sorry if that seemed rude, to just rule out your opinion, but I've known him for his whole life and I can tell the difference between him playing and being disrespectful. I agree that most/lots of horses play like that, but this is something different.
Thank you for your suggestions!! :)
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Theres also the possibility that you may be overdoing the round pen work. Some people do it so much that the horse is just plain tired of it and doesnt' see the purpose for it. He might be getting really sour about it. Sure, you can punish him for kicking out and expressing his sourness inappropriately, but you can also think if maybe he needs a break from it.
I may be totally off base with this, not knowing how much your actually round pen, and if so, excuse me. What I meant was to consider why his attitude is souring.
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